Victoria II impressions.

[Eyeball]

Got this game - It's a lot of fun, but ultimately also broken as fuck. If you ever needed an argument against capitalism, this is it, as capitalists are fucking retards who decide that the best way to make a buck is to build factories producing the most crappy and unnecessary good available, causing their factory to go bankrupt in a matter of months and wasting all that time you spent coaxing them into building something worthwhile.

I've shelved this for now - hope the next patch will de-stupidify the game a bit.

 

[Malakal]

Mod it, mods already fixed most issues.

 

[Muty]

Looks like the 1.2 patch will be out before the end of September.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

There also needs to be some kind of balance for supply and demand. The way it is now, everyone except the prestigious are boned due to vast oversupply in everything (except grain and late game goods, but no one buys any of them except electric gear, radios and telephones) by mid-game. But it really can't be undersupply either, since that'd bone lesser nations equally. And there needs to be a real raise in the money pops make for themselves as tech advances. I mean, they're obviously supposed to make more money so they can buy more and expensive stuff.

Oh yea, and radio building needs to be moved to a tech that makes sense, and a lot of tech paths need to be buffed so they aren't retardo choices. Stuff like cultural prestige techs are absolutely useless (ie, Art & Design is only barely worthwhile if you get the first position for each invention, Psychology or whatever the fuck it was is simply wasting your time).

 

[Hoaxmetal]

Got any links for a good strategy guide? I've had lots of fun with Vicky2 but many things still aren't clear to me.

 

[Malakal]

http://www.paradoxian.org/vicky2wiki/Main_Page

Try wiki but I am unsure how advanced it is right now. Or ask here.

 

[Malakal]

Ahh btw could some kind soul that already registered game on paradox forums upload some mods outside of them? Namely the Rebalance and Economy ones (two of them).

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum ... p?t=491140

There's the strategy guide, although I think you need your game registered to get it.

 

[Erzherzog]

A question: Why aren't we Codexers playing Grand Strategy together? Paradox games are somewhat buggy, but I think it would be cool to play with the Codex.

A normal game of Vicky 2 or EU3 would be good. How both are for multiplayer?

Also, a good idea would be a Grand Campaign game though CK 'til HOI2. Is it possible? I know for sure it would be hilarious to see Codexers fucking up with history.

Pity we will need to wait the EU3 to Vicky2 converter, along with the Vicky2 to HOI3 one. Only then we will be able to play the newer games in a Grand Campaign.

I've been thinking about organizing a Codex Paradox MP, but my video card is broken so I can only play the pre-Clausewitz ones and even then they crash after a couple in-game years.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

I'd be down for some MP, I suppose. Vicky 2 has probably too many problems as of right now for it, but after the patch it should be better.

 

[poocolator]

I read that later in the game You are going to face great economic depressions coming from overproduction of goods and not enough demand. But yes, seems ratehr easy. Play weaker nations - Denmark is hardcore.

We played a multiplayer game with 8 ppl this morning and exactly this thing happened to me as gb. I was getting millions of factories built when I reached the point where I was producing a lot more shit then what as needed. Factories started loosing money, I had to close many of them and my production plunged , pops became jobless and started revolting. I took me maybe 5 years the stabilize that shit.

Awesome.

I want to like these epic 4x games so much but I just can't. I tried Victoria II. I played the tutorial. Then when I load up a scenario I have no fucking idea what I'm supposed to do. I normally love freedom and empire building. And management and warfare. But I feel no sense of direction at all. Same thing when I tried to play Crusader Kings. Oh well, can't like everything I'd like to, err, like, I suppose.

Honestly, it just takes a lot of practice. Starting a game, trying different things out (different nations, strategies, policies), quitting when your feel that you've run out of steam (à la Dwarf Fortress), and doing it all from the beginning again to see if you can improve; that's the ticket. It also helps to peruse through some AAR's on the Paradox forums. A good measure of luck is important, though, when it comes to your AI colleagues
Anyway, from my experience, generally, playing on anything higher than normal difficulty results in bizarre AI behaviour like exaggerated aggressiveness and wonky deal-making.

I think one of my problems with Victoria and most (all?) paradox games are that you have your land predefined. Sure you can conquer enemy territory but you can't build your own cities and stuff. I want to start with a capitol or just a worker and then create my own empire. Guess I should stick to Civ4/Elemental.

Hehehe. But what you can try is to start in either Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis 3 with a small state and take them through to the end HoI 3 (or HoI2) in a "grand campaign". There are save-game converters out there that allow you to port a save-game from one game to the next. I've done it before as Sultanate of Aceh and Wales. Searching 'savegame converter' in google should come up with results for Paradox games. It's been a while since I've downloaded one, though. There are probably better iterations floating around.

 

[Monsieur Yaourt]

Playing with this mod. Just read the changelog, lot of stuff fixed.

A MP game would be very cool, maybe after the 1.2 patch?

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Yeah, waiting for 1.2 is a must. I don't want to spend 60 years chasing down Jacobins.





Edit: And Zed, a couple of things regarding what you said. There is a pretty steep learning curve, but once you figure out the game mechanics, the game really isn't very difficult. Victoria 2 is definitely less newbie friendly than EU3 (especially with pops and stuff), but after you play a few games, you'll get it down. Same thing with the other Paradox games, they just take awhile to figure out. I was never got the hubub about them, but once you start, other Grand Strategy games seem pretty bland in comparison (Total War, for example). With the modding community and the good post release support from Paradox, getting into their games is a worthwhile endeavor.

 

[Erzherzog]

I'd prefer HoI3 but EU3 works. How do we determine what expansions to use?

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Always down for EU3. The game is more complete with HTTT, but it all depends on what people have, I suppose.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Opposite experience to me. My first games of TW I found really easy, and quickly began looking for mods to make it harder. My first two or three games as EU3 I was getting carved up as France and Castille fairly early. I mean, after you get EU3, it's not difficult anymore (unless you start as a minor, but then it's only difficult in the beginning). If nothing else, though, Paradox games are a lot more in depth with a lot more things to juggle... if you're not good at the War part of Total War you may have a problem, but you'll never run your country into the ground.

 

[Hoaxmetal]

1st GP as Japan, this game is superb!

I was surprised that it took ~20 years for Russia and China to attack me (had infamy of 300 or so).

 

[GarfunkeL]

Gah, wait about a week for me to get Internet back up in my new house and then get HTTT, Semper Fi and Vicky2 1.2 and I'll join you guys!

 

[Erzherzog]

Roger that. Since the patch should come out next week, I'm guessing we'll get a game of Vicky2 next weekend?

 

[Muty]

You can count me in .

No need for hamachi btw, it works better by just connecting directly by ip.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Do I have to fight Erzherzog to the death over who gets Austria?

 

[Hoaxmetal]

I'll probably get humiliated but MP vicky sounds fun.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Yeah, I'd get crushed. 1.2 should be out by the end of the month according to the update on the forums today.

 

[Chef_Hathaway]

I'll play too, if a MP game goes up.

 

[Serious_Business]

Start your own thread niggers

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