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[Multi-headed Cow]

Holy fuck the performance is awful. AWFUL for a UE3 game. I can run basically any other UE3 game with 60+ FPS and maximum eyecandy with no trouble, but RotT on the absolute lowest settings idles at 70FPS at best and then as soon as I go around a corner and start shooting it goes under 20. For fuck's sake.

And like Sexbad there says, mouse smoothing is shit and has to be disabled in an ini, and the movement is off. That said the level design looks promising from the few minutes I spent with it. Ran through e1m1 and some of e1m2. Found 6 out of 11 secrets on e1m1 my first time through. Just annoying the game is almost unplayable because the performance pisses me off so bad.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

The movement scheme, though, feels straight out of UDK with no modification. Just running around feels really stiff because there's no sense of momentum; you're just a hitbox that whooshes in whatever direction you want it to. It lacks the smoothness and elasticity that you'd get in something like Quake 3, and similarly there's no bunnyjumping as far as I know, so it's much harder to enjoy circlestrafing and whatnot. The movement scheme is a disservice to any Doom clone imho.

Exactly what I hated in the Painkiller remake.

 

[Psquit]

Glad i did not buy this...

 

[Metro]

Shit will be bundle fodder in six months.

 

[shihonage]

There are these weird shiny walls everywhere and a lot of drabmurk visuals, halfway to grimdark style pioneered by Quake, only Quake had a visual style and this game doesn't. The quasi-realism is out of place, especially next to all the coins. Levels aren't properly scaled to player movement speed. Looks like a superficial aping of an old-school FPS based on some kind of napkin checklist. Clearly the original ROTT designers either weren't involved or they had a horrible car accident and got amnesia.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

Yeah there is no way to take an engine like UE3 and do justice to the ultra fast paced FPS games of yore.

 

[shihonage]

Yeah there is no way to take an engine like UE3 and do justice to the ultra fast paced FPS games of yore.

I don't know man, UT2003/2004 was plenty fast-paced. I have fond memories of instagib matches with that game.

 

[Infinitron]

Yeah there is no way to take an engine like Unreal Engine and use it to make an Unreal game.

(double if it's actually true)

 

[sexbad?]

Levels aren't properly scaled to player movement speed. Looks like a superficial aping of an old-school FPS based on some kind of napkin checklist. Clearly the original ROTT designers either weren't involved or they had a horrible car accident and got amnesia.

Based on some of the levels, that's not an unfair judgment I think. However, I got up to the third or fourth mission and found the environments to be much more expansive than what came before. It might be able to redeem itself in that respect imho.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

Yeah there is no way to take an engine like Unreal Engine and use it to make an Unreal game.

(double if it's actually true)

Without some serious modifications

 

[toro]

they worked hard... has a new meaning.

 

[Psquit]

If they want money they should add nazi hats for the medik in tf2.

 

[Berekän]

Man, one would think that a remake's something easy to do but given the recent streak of remakes that are turning terrible something's odd. Guess we should learn from the film industry.

 

[DemonKing]

Man, one would think that a remake's something easy to do but given the recent streak of remakes that are turning terrible something's odd. Guess we should learn from the film industry.

I don't see the point in doing remakes - they inevitably seem to piss off the fans who loved the original in the first place because nostalgia is such a powerful thing that nothing can match your memoires of the original and newer/younger players who never played the original are pissed off because they don't understand the appeal of the archaic game designs of ye olden days (the 90s). Added to that most remakes to date seem to be cash grabs that are pushed out the door half-baked causing anyone who doesn't get frustrated for the above reasons to rage-quit anyway.

 

[Marquess Cornwallis]

Not particularly great, but it's pretty fun. Once you set things up (turn off all the superfluous effects, basically), it plays and feels quite good, the first couple of levels that I've seen so far are based pretty closely on the original game (which even back in the day was better known for its over-the-top ludicrousness rather than particular excellence in gameplay or level design) but aren't really identical. I wish the minor healing items would not respawn (at least on hard)* and certain invisible walls (e.g. when rocket jumping) are irritating, but other than that, I think it's really fine for a remake (especially a RotT remake) and certainly not comparable to the Blade of Destiny fiasco.

*They apparently don't, it's just that the game doesn't remember your difficulty setting when you load it (which is not too bright, either).

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Best thing I can say about this thus far is that reloading plays a reloading animation and just wastes your time. Pistols and machine gun have infinite bullets and infinite magazines. Pressing R just makes you feel good and plays an animation, it's never needed.

 

[Marquess Cornwallis]

Best thing I can say about this thus far is that reloading plays a reloading animation and just wastes your time. Pistols and machine gun have infinite bullets and infinite magazines. Pressing R just makes you feel good and plays an animation, it's never needed.

It's a joke. That's precisely the way ammo worked in the original game, except now you have an animation where your character actually puts the exact same magazine back in (or swap them between the two pistols).

 

[DefJam101]

The first few levels are claustrophobic and weird. After that the level design opens up and you can run around more.

Oddly enough, limited circle jumping is possible, but continued strafe jumping is not.

Honestly the biggest problem with this game is the engine it runs (like shit) on. Otherwise it's a pretty great remake of RoTT. I'm just not sure if RoTT needed a remake.

 

[Zewp]

What the actual fuck. How horribly optimized can a game be? Aiming is fucking terrible. It's a fast-paced game, but aiming on enemies while moving is absolutely impossible. I have to stand still and soak up shots to aim on enemies. The actual performance is pretty shit as well. Especially for a UE3 game.

It's a pity, because the actual game looks really solid.

Apogee, you fucked up.

 

[Zewp]

If you haven't done so yet, I'd advise applying the fixes in this thread.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/217140/discussions/0/846960481985121165/

Makes it a lot better. Doesn't fix it entirely, but at least it's roughly playable now.

 

[Metro]

How can you fuck up a run and gun shooter on an old engine?

 

[evdk]

How can you fuck up a run and gun shooter on an old engine?

Easily, obviously.

 

[Zewp]

ROTT is a fast paced shooter. UE3 has never been good at fast-paced games. It's always been a engine better suited to console games.

This game should never have utilized UE3.

 

[ghostdog]

Dammit.

 

[UserNamer]

The movement scheme, though, feels straight out of UDK with no modification. Just running around feels really stiff because there's no sense of momentum; you're just a hitbox that whooshes in whatever direction you want it to. It lacks the smoothness and elasticity that you'd get in something like Quake 3, and similarly there's no bunnyjumping as far as I know, so it's much harder to enjoy circlestrafing and whatnot. The movement scheme is a disservice to any Doom clone imho.

Exactly what I hated in the Painkiller remake.

Incidentally I recently got into painkiller, I remember hating it but out of boredom I gave the series another try, and I'm hooked.. jumped straight on trauma difficulty and the game is a blast, shame that the art design of the monsters is kinda shitty compared to doom, quake, and ss3, but the variety of locales\gameplay is great.

I tried the remake first, and holy shit did they mess up a lot of shit! The hitbox\collision detection of the enemy attacks is absolutely retarded and not at all implemented, nothing like the precision of the original.. also they removed the feedback to some harmful stuff, like the gas on the scepters of those scepters carrying enemies or more ridicolously the absence of rendered spikes from the giant spike attack. They also seem to have removed special abilities from the enemies, stuff like ninja moving moving at ninja speed or samurai seppukuing, they added pointless invisible walls (like on the trains of the train station), I mean what a fucking failure of a remake! Shame because I dig the new looks especially on the enemies.

Anyway I got into painkiller black and I think it's real fun. It only needs a better enemy art design imho