Fallout 3 reviewed!

[Stevee Wonder]

I've yet to see anybody really excited about the game here.
But I've seen many people (like myself) stating that they will play the game for what it is and nobody was laughed at.

Now, if you're considering going on a crusade about how great Fallout 3 is going to be, prepare to take some heat in the process.

But why is that?

Why can people go on crusades about how terrible the game is going to be and not expect any flak.. but the minute you do the opposite you need to have a 7 page thesis in hand to justify it.

Isn't it obvious? When everyone else has the same opinion as you, you agree with him. That's why people who say Fallout 3 sucks don't get any flak here. Also, there are many obvious enough reasons why some people might not like Fallout 3.

So there is no denial to the herd mentality. The forumgoers of RPGCodex are just as much sheeple under a different banner. Anyone that dissents is drawn and quartered unless they go on trial and can prove their case.

As long as we are all in agreement that this is what the forum has devolved into then nothing more be said. You are no different and no better than the blind fanboys on ESF.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Why can people go on crusades about how terrible the game is going to be and not expect any flak.. but the minute you do the opposite you need to have a 7 page thesis in hand to justify it.

What?

Do you need smaller words?

It's a simple question. If I had made an alt account and my first post was "man I can't wait for this game, it looks pretty cool" people wouldn't even bat an eyelash. No justification needed. It's accepted as fact.

But if I say 'omg i cant believe beth did this to fallout, it looks so bad' then the reaction would be fierce and I would be banned.

ninja fix
TES?

As long as we are all in agreement that this is what the forum has devolved into then nothing more be said. You are no different and no better than the blind fanboys on ESF.

The difference here is that morons don't get banned.

 

[Stevee Wonder]

Why can people go on crusades about how terrible the game is going to be and not expect any flak.. but the minute you do the opposite you need to have a 7 page thesis in hand to justify it.

Well, it's all a matter of expectations.
If you go on a pro-Fallout 3 crusade on a board populated by Bioshock fans, I'm pretty sure you'll get a lot of positive feedback.

From the Codexer standpoint, Fallout 3 does not bring anything new, fails at pretty much everything that makes a good RPG or roguelike and desecrate the Fallout setting.
Arguments like the graphics are good, the world is stuffed with cool things to shoot, etc don't really stand here.

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

 

[Lesifoere]

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

DU?

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

1st - it's not a clickfest
2nd - 8mils of $ isn't indie

 

[Radisshu]

I've yet to see anybody really excited about the game here.
But I've seen many people (like myself) stating that they will play the game for what it is and nobody was laughed at.

Now, if you're considering going on a crusade about how great Fallout 3 is going to be, prepare to take some heat in the process.

But why is that?

Why can people go on crusades about how terrible the game is going to be and not expect any flak.. but the minute you do the opposite you need to have a 7 page thesis in hand to justify it.

Isn't it obvious? When everyone else has the same opinion as you, you agree with him. That's why people who say Fallout 3 sucks don't get any flak here. Also, there are many obvious enough reasons why some people might not like Fallout 3.

So there is no denial to the herd mentality. The forumgoers of RPGCodex are just as much sheeple under a different banner. Anyone that dissents is drawn and quartered unless they go on trial and can prove their case.

As long as we are all in agreement that this is what the forum has devolved into then nothing more be said. You are no different and no better than the blind fanboys on ESF.

Of course there will always be a general hivemindishness at any forum, but you will - if you scratch the surface - find that the codex is more about substance than hype when compared to a gaming company's own community. That's not even strange, of course the people who mindlessly praise the company's own games shit is going to be encouraged at their own forum.

 

[Durwyn]

Why can people go on crusades about how terrible the game is going to be and not expect any flak.. but the minute you do the opposite you need to have a 7 page thesis in hand to justify it.

Someone should post 34 (or how many there actually were) reasons why FO3 will suck. They were rather good justification why most(but not all) of the people here think that FO3 sucks. I could write an essay why i think that it will suck, but it's a waste of time. The game speaks itself.

 

[Elwro]

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

A game with such a big budget as TW cannot be labeled as "indie", which would throw it in the same category with Spiderweb or Basilisk titles. As for your other statements concerning TW, I won't respond since they're pure trolling.

 

[Gragt]

What manner of tomfoolery is this?

 

[Vault Dweller]

As for posting spoilers on ESF... It's pathetic. It's one thing to argue and present points, it's another to post the equivalent of "dumbledore died lol pwned!" all over their forums. You sure showed them. *rolls eyes.

Under normal circumstances you'd be the first in line to go at it. Feeling left out of the action?

I've led many crusades and I was there when the Interplay forums went down, but we were making points and arguments, not trolling like imbeciles. As someone else noted, it's a sad day when the ESF regulars look more mature than the Codex "next-generation" kids.

Intelligent discussions = elite these days?

As for posting spoilers on ESF... It's pathetic. It's one thing to argue and present points, it's another to post the equivalent of "dumbledore died lol pwned!" all over their forums. You sure showed them. *rolls eyes.

Ohh look, another VD drive by to tell us how much we all suck.

Proud of the ESF raids?

Then let's start modding this site, the happiness will come back - seriously, why did you in the first place gave this place "say what you please" mentality?

I didn't. Saint Proverbius is the Codex founder, not me. However, there is a difference, like I said, between being able to post, defend, and support a very different opinion with arguments and posting anything you want just because you can.

In this day and age when almost everybody know how to use a computer you expect no dumbfuckery?

If it's not tolerated, there won't be any.

If you really think that Codex is declining then start modding the hell out of this place (yes, I know that you don't have any power now).

We had a discussion about it. Most remaining admins, including those who had nothing to do with the Codex like Shagnak, decided that the freedom to post lulz was more important.

That you and me can discuss normaly with each other whitout me getting banned because I have slightest different opinions.

You don't need a freedom to post anything to get that, do you?

The difference here is that morons don't get banned.

You think it's a good thing?

 

[Radisshu]

Why can people go on crusades about how terrible the game is going to be and not expect any flak.. but the minute you do the opposite you need to have a 7 page thesis in hand to justify it.

Well, it's all a matter of expectations.
If you go on a pro-Fallout 3 crusade on a board populated by Bioshock fans, I'm pretty sure you'll get a lot of positive feedback.

From the Codexer standpoint, Fallout 3 does not bring anything new, fails at pretty much everything that makes a good RPG or roguelike and desecrate the Fallout setting.
Arguments like the graphics are good, the world is stuffed with cool things to shoot, etc don't really stand here.

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

Some people like the Witcher here, some don't. I haven't even played it yet, though I think those who do like it do so because of its supposedly heavy focus on C&C.

 

[Stevee Wonder]

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

1st - it's not a clickfest
2nd - 8mils of $ isn't indie

Oh, sorry. The Witcher had a deep and engaging combat system that required precise timing and the ability to perform finishing moves with lots of blood. GREAT RPG!

Better?

Some people like the Witcher here, some don't. I haven't even played it yet, though I think those who do like it do so because of its supposedly heavy focus on C&C.

LOL choice?

What choice? you help some elves or you help some humans or you kill both. And you get a nice big flashing sign that tells you when you are making that 'choice'. It comes at the end of the game and changes nothing. No consequences. Sorry to spoil it for you.

 

[Darth Roxor]

It's a simple question. If I had made an alt account and my first post was 'omg i cant believe beth did this to fallout, it looks so bad' people wouldn't even bat an eyelash. No justification needed. It's accepted as fact.

No, you would probably be flamed for trying too hard to appeal to the hivemind.

So there is no denial to the herd mentality. The forumgoers of RPGCodex are just as much sheeple under a different banner. Anyone that dissents is drawn and quartered unless they go on trial and can prove their case.

As long as we are all in agreement that this is what the forum has devolved into then nothing more be said. You are no different and no better than the blind fanboys on ESF.

Or hey, maybe because all the stuff 'why fo3 will suck' was said so many times before by the same people, it would be an utter waste of time to write them fifty times again, because most of the inhabitants of the forum already know why the particular person doesn't like what he sees?

 

[Seboss]

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it! They still made a shallow game but some clique decided they liked it so it doesn't need to withstand the scrutiny that other titles endure?

The Witcher had its share of criticism. I don't think the hivemind stance on this game is better than 'good'.
I won't digress into an argument about the Witcher, but I certainly don't see it as "linear" or "shallow". Besides, the setting of the Witcher is pretty unique, compared to other fantasy games. I agree on the clickfest combat and the overabundance of sex though.

 

[Elwro]

Oh, sorry. The Witcher had a deep and engaging combat system that required precise timing and the ability to perform finishing moves with lots of blood. GREAT RPG!

Better?

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

 

[Radisshu]

Some people like the Witcher here, some don't. I haven't even played it yet, though I think those who do like it do so because of its supposedly heavy focus on C&C.

LOL choice?

What choice? you help some elves or you help some humans or you kill both. And you get a nice big flashing sign that tells you when you are making that 'choice'. It comes at the end of the game and changes nothing. No consequences. Sorry to spoil it for you.

Like I said, I haven't even played the game, I just know that lots of people like it because of the consequences they claim your choices have. And this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[Stevee Wonder]

Oh, sorry. The Witcher had a deep and engaging combat system that required precise timing and the ability to perform finishing moves with lots of blood. GREAT RPG!

Better?

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

You think I care if people here do?

I'm sorry that the response went over your head, but just the fact that 'its not a clickfest' was enough of a response to you only furthers my point.

 

[Lesifoere]

Oh, sorry. The Witcher had a deep and engaging combat system that required precise timing and the ability to perform finishing moves with lots of blood. GREAT RPG!

Better?

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

You think I care if people here do?

You care so little that you keep posting, and posting, and posting. To show how much you don't care. Awesome.

 

[Stevee Wonder]

Oh, sorry. The Witcher had a deep and engaging combat system that required precise timing and the ability to perform finishing moves with lots of blood. GREAT RPG!

Better?

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

You think I care if people here do?

You care so little that you keep posting, and posting, and posting. To show how much you don't care. Awesome.

And you care so much that you keep responding to the posting. Awesome.

I love you guys!

Oh wait.. FALLOUT 3 SUX!

Can we be friends now?

 

[Durwyn]

Oh wait.. FALLOUT 3 SUX!

Can we be friends now?

No... Now you're trying too hard

 

[Darth Roxor]

Oh wait.. FALLOUT 3 SUX!

Can we be friends now?

No... Now you're trying too hard

At least he's entertaining. The last troll we had was Cleve, and he's getting boring lately.

 

[Gragt]

VD certainly makes a lot of good points.

 

[St. Toxic]

I've led many crusades and I was there when the Interplay forums went down, but we were making points and arguments, not trolling like imbeciles.

The weapons are decided based on the opponent. Can't always expect to break rock with sticks.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

You don't need a freedom to post anything to get that, do you?

You know what TES is right? - not only that place, I been to few places with butthurt admins, sometimes I think there favorite activites are "making your life hard".

You think it's a good thing?

Yes, because for some of them there is still hope.

(Me included, thanks you Codex for saving me)

 

[DefJam101]

Oh, sorry. The Witcher had a deep and engaging combat system that required precise timing and the ability to perform finishing moves with lots of blood. GREAT RPG!

Better?

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?

You think I care if people here do?

Yes, actually. You didn't flame me when I responded with a realistic viewpoint, which leads me to believe that you are not trolling. You are actually trying to say something.

I'm sorry that the response went over your head, but just the fact that 'its not a clickfest' was enough of a response to you only furthers my point.

Okay then. Let's go back a bit and take a look at this.

You said:

But the Witcher brought nothing new and was a linear clickfest with tits. But hey, it's indie! They get it!

He said:

1st - it's not a clickfest

Saying "TW is a clickfest!" is in no way superior to saying "TW is not a clickfest!" merely because you spoke first. You got the response that you deserved based on what you said. If you don't go into detail, then no one else is under any obligation to show you that respect.

This is the kind of conniving forum-rhetorical bullshit that gets people banned on other forums.