Volourn said:"THat's the most "voulournish" argumentation ever made on this forum.
just replace "figures" by "period" it's like "You are a moron. Period"
R00fles!
THat's the most "voulournish" argumentation ever made on this forum.
just replace "figures" by "period" it's like "You are a moron. Period"
Excrément said:if you forget all the PR bullshit, the famous dev quote ("there are a lot of political intrigues, radiant AI is sometimes too clever..."), the ESF fan base, the dumbs journalists reviews that angers you.
and now, imagine daggerfall and morrowind never existed and Oblivion is the first game from bethesda since Arena. imagine also that bethesda isn't the vilain that buy the fallout licence but a "small budget company" who have in his team a lot of black isle developer.
would you still say this game suck? won't you be a little bit more enthusiastic? I won't be surprised if many of you think this game is TEH best game EVAR!!!
suibhne said:. Codex posters have enumerated exhaustive litanies of the failures of Oblivion's quest development, character development, interface, narrative, economy, and mythology.
If you read what people have written then YOU would notice that they consider that these failures DON'T exist as much in Daggerfall.don't say the contrary. but did you notice these same failures (sometimes more sometimes less) existed also in Daggerfall?
Uh... No?I would like to undersand why here people officially hate Oblivion and feel so proud and brave to tell it whereas in the same time these people are asking for hint for the lockpicking minigame!!
it stinks the hypocrisy, "I hate the game I am playing every day..."
sabishii said:If you read what people have written then YOU would notice that they consider that these failures DON'T exist as much in Daggerfall.don't say the contrary. but did you notice these same failures (sometimes more sometimes less) existed also in Daggerfall?
Uh... No?I would like to undersand why here people officially hate Oblivion and feel so proud and brave to tell it whereas in the same time these people are asking for hint for the lockpicking minigame!!
it stinks the hypocrisy, "I hate the game I am playing every day..."
I'm not a dungeon fan, but even I can see how the item level-scaling totally defeats the purpose of hunting for treasure in dungeons.Excrément said:exploration : oblivion won by far for the nature exploration (which is pointless in daggerfall) and it's a tight for the dungeons, at least in daggerfall you can get lost but the dungeons were too big also (IMO), oblivion dungeons are largely better than the mW ones but are still too small.
Yes, now there is the retarded respawning...of loot!sabishii said:I'm not a dungeon fan, but even I can see how the item level-scaling totally defeats the purpose of hunting for treasure in dungeons.
don't say the contrary. but did you notice these same failures (sometimes more sometimes less) existed also in Daggerfall?
micmu said:Oh, the "fine" art of.
wikipedia said:then attribute that position to the opponent
wikipedia said:the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.
Excrément said:how can I forget the hivemind when my post is especially about the hivemind...
G.W.Bush said:How can we not invade Iraq when they have weapons of mass destruction... also let's not forget 9/11
sheek said:There is a group on this forum who irrationally hate Oblivion but who like Daggerfall. Twinfalls is the most obvious example but there are others.
sheek said:To me there are two honorable positions... either you like the Bethesda 'sand-box' type of game in which case both are about the same and Oblivion is actually more fun (better fighting, nicer environment). Or you dislike it and do not call the Bethesda style RPG in which case you don't give a fuck about either of them.
either you like the Bethesda 'sand-box' type of game in which case both are about the same and Oblivion is actually more fun (better fighting, nicer environment)
Hmm, I have just the opposite view. It's very frequent for fanboys to hate a company like Bethesda or a series like TES. Or to give a recent example, the 1UP reviewer who hated D&D. You can't expect such a person to give a good review of, in the first case, Oblivion or, in the second case, Neverwinter Nights. VD and Twinfalls attack Oblivion by comparing it to Daggerfall and sometimes Morrowind, which are perfectly fitting games to compare it to. If they didn't the ESF-ers would just say "You guys just hate everything that isn't Fallout". Nobody, for example, would look to Roqua to review a TES game, because they're first-person and real-time. We all know he'd dislike it without his playing it even being necessary. I take him seriously for his thoughts on what qualifies as an RPG (although for me it's sort of a sliding scale rather than binary possibilities) but not for whether Oblivion is good.sheek said:I think Excrément is right although he generalizes too much. There is a group on this forum who irrationally hate Oblivion but who like Daggerfall. Twinfalls is the most obvious example but there are others. Those people I do wonder about. To me there are two honorable positions... either you like the Bethesda 'sand-box' type of game in which case both are about the same and Oblivion is actually more fun (better fighting, nicer environment). Or you dislike it and do not call the Bethesda style RPG in which case you don't give a fuck about either of them. I do not get angry when Quake 4 is almost exactly the same as Quake 1 or that GTA 2 was not designed as a hard-core RPG, I do not even waste my time thinking about those games.
Excrément said:and now, imagine daggerfall and morrowind never existed and Oblivion is the first game from bethesda since Arena.
[Daggerfall/Oblivion] character development : the level scaling system terribly suck in both case
the quest in daggerfall were more boring and repetitive, don't use the pretexts of the 3 or 4 quests with multiple endings to say the quests were better.
sheek said:I think Excrément is right although he generalizes too much. There is a group on this forum who irrationally hate Oblivion but who like Daggerfall. Twinfalls is the most obvious example but there are others. To me there are two honorable positions... either you like the Bethesda 'sand-box' type of game in which case both are about the same and Oblivion is actually more fun (better fighting, nicer environment). Or you dislike it and do not call the Bethesda style RPG in which case you don't give a fuck about either of them. I do not get angry when Quake 4 is almost exactly the same as Quake 1 or that GTA 2 was not designed as a hard-core RPG, I do not even waste my time thinking about those games.