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someone here found your deviantart account. it was damning evidence. incriminatingdenizsi said:Care to share how you found that out? I'd like to know for myself for once.
but you know this
someone here found your deviantart account. it was damning evidence. incriminatingdenizsi said:Care to share how you found that out? I'd like to know for myself for once.
Hey, I don't deny Cleve, and Cleve doesn't deny that the Holocaust never happened.Flying Spaghetti Monster said:all know it. Yes, there's nomask being an idiot denying the holocaust and Cleve...
If you say so.Flying Spaghetti Monster said:Do they derail a discussion in a serious way and artificially shorten its lifespan? No, they don't. Those that aren't giant faggots can just ignore the idiots when they're not providing lulz and continue with their discussion.
XD XD THE GAMEkingcomrade said:Peer reviewed? Good luck with that. CHARGIN MAH LAZOR ROFL XD
Except you didn't call his opinion stupid or imperceptive. You called him a retard.Naked Ninja said:You can't tell the difference between calling someone's opinion stupid/imperceptive and a racial slur? Really?What's the real difference if someone calls someone a "niggerjew" instead of perhaps telling them to "put more points into perception"? We're all smart enough here to know there's no difference between the two.
Thankfully I can't find anyone who is here simply because they can swear. On the other hand, you seem to have quite a comprehensive list obv. so feel free to share.Vault Dweller said:What's your point? Surely you see the difference between people who swear and people who love the Codex because you can swear? The latter are here for the wrong reasons.DarkUnderlord said:Speaking of words: "Fuck" appears in VD's posts 691 times.Vault Dweller said:As someone who has been here since 2003, I beg to differ. Stupidity does tend to breed more stupidity and attract people who are here because they can say "fuck" and bitch about jews and niggers.
An event which eventually lead to...Vault Dweller said:Both links are about the same event: idiots laughing at pictures showing Nazi mass executions and cracking jokes about it. First, it's hardly a "Nazi joke". Second, there is no "THEN nazi jokes were bad". It's the same event discussed in two different threads.
... because of this. One crack about a high-school shooting == END ALL LULZ. There's "no room for lulz or stupidity". As you might've noticed, NN figured it out a page earlier. Some of us here like our lulz along with our cup of SIRUIS BIZNESS. Is it hard to balance? Sure. Does it result in a little more lulz than is warranted at times? Sure. Do I think the Codex has gone down the toilet completely because of it, so much that drastic mass expulsion of members is required? No. Does it piss some of the more righteous crusaders with frail sensibilities off? Absolutely.Vault Dweller said:>Ok, if I'm reading your posts correctly, it's an all-or-nothing deal.
>"I'm not running away. I know what needs to be done, have no problem
>doing it, but will not do it without all admins agreeing and sticking
>with it."
Pretty much. It's not as dramatic as it may appear though. Here is my
position. Time for liberal faggotry is gone. At least for now, we need
a strict moderation where all morons and lulz people are thrown out.
The Codex was once a place of intelligent discussions. The goal is to
get it back to that state. No room for lulz or stupidity. We warn
people properly about the upcoming changes. No pictures, no dumb shit.
The discretion of what dumb shit is ours. You, Shagnak, DU, and
whoever else left alive back these policies up and do the same,
assuming you agree with me. If not, ask yourself why you were going to
leave the Codex for awhile.
When (if) I come back, I immediately ban Percolator, Riso, Helton,
Cassidy, Vrok, Sovard, and anyone who will start posting "unban
patriots" therads, warn a few others (skyway, Slavemaster, etc) . More
if necessary. I assume that Pooper, Nico, NL were banned already.
That's what I believe should be done. If you believe otherwise and
would like attempt to improve the forums with less drastic means, I
can understand and respect it. If you need my help, I'll be happy to
help. Always.
VD
Slight strawman. We're talking about off-handed one-liner remarks. IE: There is literally no difference between "You need to put more points into perception" and "You're a fucking retard!".Vault Dweller said:We are also smart enough here to know that there is no difference between a lengthy post addressing game's flaws and "shit" or "suck" or "banal. shit. boring." Have I made my point or would you like me elaborate?DarkUnderlord said:Banning it also doesn't change anything. What's the real difference if someone calls someone a "niggerjew" instead of perhaps telling them to "put more points into perception"? We're all smart enough here to know there's no difference between the two.
I'm not 14 years old VD.Vault Dweller said:At the cost of what else, exactly? If you say that the freedom of some 14 year old to behave like an imbecile is more important than having intelligent conversations, then I'd definitely disagree with you thereThat's the point though. The Codex isn't about intelligent conversation at the cost of all else.
Except we're now back to the reason Calis demoted you and we kicked you off staff in the first place. Your response is to wield the ban hammer and throw the baby out with the bath-water. To sanitise the forums so much that "no jokes allowed" would be the running rule. Given the audience here, I can tell you exactly where that would've lead. 90% of the forum would've been banned over a period of 6 months as all hell broke-loose because VD forgot his funny bone.Vault Dweller said:It works when the ratio of intelligent posters to dumbfucks is 10:1. It doesn't work when the ratio is 1:10. Not enough chew power.DarkUnderlord said:The Codex is about allowing members the freedom to express their opinions and then get chewed out for them, no matter what that opinion is.
Anyone noticed any threads from Andhaira recently? Oh that's right, I took away his ability to make new threads about 2 weeks ago. Just sayin'DraQ said:You wouldn't even need to ban or anything, just revoke GD posting privileges or limit particularly troublesome users to one post a day and keep it so until this one post a day becomes productive.
Oddly enough, giving the "VIPs" "special treatment" is exactly the kind of suggestion Saint_Proverbius would probably castrate you for.Mantiis said:tl;dr: I'm in the no moderation camp (especially for GD) but churlishness should be prevented when interacting with VIPs in the other forums.
Feel free to congratulate the developers on a great job, give them two thumbs up, apologise for all the bad behaviour they've had to put up with of people criticising their game, and glance over any issues.
I remember creating a thread where I trashed the MotB ending and Obsidian developers actually responded.
If you want to give a developer head, the Codex isn't really the place to do it.Mantiis said:I would prefer they were here and us giving them headFeel free to congratulate the developers on a great job, give them two thumbs up, apologise for all the bad behaviour they've had to put up with of people criticising their game, and glance over any issues.
Said the man who wants to "give developers head". Like I said, give them all the head you want somewhere else. They even typically have official forums for that.Mantiis said:Having said that my post went something like this:
So how you got from 'trashing' to 'congratulate', 'two thumbs up' and 'apologise' I will never know, oh wait yes i do someone wants to win an internet argument.I remember creating a thread where I trashed the MotB ending and Obsidian developers actually responded.
Yes, dialogue with devs is great. But if it comes at the expense of us being able to criticise them, then no. Notice how in this thread, even though it's a fairly luke-warm conversation by Codex standards, you've had the subtle personal insults from the moral high-ground, the witty retorts and so on. Argue all you like about what's appropriate or not, I've got no intention of molly-coddling anyone. Be they Jesus Christ themselves or a developer. If it's not clear, take a simple look at RPGWatch (and sorry for using them as an example but it really works). What you get when you do that is everyone doing their nice pretend and putting on their best behaviour for the esteemed guest.Mantiis said:To be clear, and in your defence this may not have been made clear in that post, I loved the fact that we had a dialogue with devs in which we were able to trash their product, I didn't like the personal attacks against them and their person (which VD I think is also guilty of). Even if it was funny.
Mantiis said:Seriously what the fuck is up with that god damned ending? The whole time i'm saying i'm going to tear that fucking wall down and then I get to the fucking wall and I can only go along with what Kelemvor sez to me? Wtf? I can't shove an axe into his head and then start to tear down the wall? WHY THE FUCK NOT?! I have been saying I was going to do it the whole fucking game!
I had powows with Kaelyn regarding tearing that fucking thing down and then after i defeat that tosspot Akachi my options are merging with that fuck and serving Kelemvor OR letting Akachi's essence survive but then I just walk away? FUCK YOU, FUCK EVERYONE THAT SAID THIS WAS A FUCKING GOOD GAME. The whole thing is ruined but that god damned ending (and also what was up with Kaelyn's ending?).
FUCK YOU ALL.
Gosh, I'm surprised your "FUCK YOU ALL" vitriol wasn't deleted on first sight!!Mantiis said:Firstly all those douchebags in the thread that are saying: 'OMG you cant kill a god on his home plane LOL, that should be obvious Nub' can just fuck right off,
To be clear, and in your defence this may not have been made clear in that post, I loved the fact that we had a dialogue with devs in which we were able to trash their product, I didn't like the personal attacks against them and their person
Let's recap. Mantiis makes a number of statements:Mantiis said:Also that thread is the exact one I am talking about. I don't see how that contradicts what I am saying.
If you thought it was a bad idea, you had 3 years to fix it.DarkUnderlord said:^ By the way, guess who's idea it was to make that guy a moderator.
It seems to be a very popular reason when certain people start explaining why they like these forums so much.Thankfully I can't find anyone who is here simply because they can swear. On the other hand, you seem to have quite a comprehensive list obv. so feel free to share.
I've dealt with spacemoose without involving anyone. I don't think that 'moose had any hard feelings.... because of this. One crack about a high-school shooting == END ALL LULZ.
I realized that, respected your decision to have your lulz, and left without any drama. If I recall correctly, when you offered to hand me over the site, I refused politely simply because the majority of the admins were in favor of the lulz and I didn't want to force my way on anyone.Some of us here like our lulz along with our cup of SIRUIS BIZNESS.
I've never wanted or advocated a care bear forum. I'm not suggesting that people should be nice and give each other hugs. I'm suggesting that you do something about the juvenile tards.But much like Quinn, some people just need to toughen the fuck up. If you want a care bear forum that holds your hand through the tough times, the Codex is not it.
And you are not an imbecile. Nor have you ever behaved like one. I respect you for a lot of things, but this isn't about you.I'm not 14 years old VD.Vault Dweller said:At the cost of what else, exactly? If you say that the freedom of some 14 year old to behave like an imbecile is more important than having intelligent conversations, then I'd definitely disagree with you thereThat's the point though. The Codex isn't about intelligent conversation at the cost of all else.
You seem to enjoy saying it for some odd reasons. You well know that Calis made a mistake. I'm sure you're well aware that I didn't ban anyone. I asked for a consensus and I wasn't going to do anything without getting everyone's ok first. Calis pulled my forum admin access because he assumed that I'm about to start banning people, which wasn't going to happen. You're also well aware that you asked me to come back and that you regretted the misunderstanding, so why gloat about it now?Except we're now back to the reason Calis demoted you and we kicked you off staff in the first place.
If you say so.To sanitise the forums so much that "no jokes allowed" would be the running rule. Given the audience here, I can tell you exactly where that would've lead. 90% of the forum would've been banned over a period of 6 months as all hell broke-loose because VD forgot his funny bone.
It's your forum and your call. I've offered my opinion. Nothing more.As has been said, this isn't so much about a bit of moderation here and there. It's that slippery slope that sees us turning into the same as every other forum.
This is what I really hate about the current state of affairs here, bashing all that supposedly the Codex should stand for just to prove how kewl you are and at the same time awing before bland half assed mediocrity.DarkUnderlord said:... and yet a developer still decided to respond. None of that has changed. The only thing that may changed is that perhaps you haven't made a thread saying "FUCK DRAGON AGE" yet.
DarkUnderlord said:... because of this. One crack about a high-school shooting == END ALL LULZ. There's "no room for lulz or stupidity".
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Slight strawman. We're talking about off-handed one-liner remarks. IE: There is literally no difference between "You need to put more points into perception" and "You're a fucking retard!".
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This is the part where you obstinately protest and insist that "it's not funny" and that's cool and all but if you haven't figured it out yet, a lot of people here have a different sense of humour to your own. And there are plenty of forums for those who want to "respect 9/11", if you will.
Vault Dweller said:I've dealt with spacemoose without involving anyone. I don't think that 'moose had any hard feelings.... because of this. One crack about a high-school shooting == END ALL LULZ.
Nope, just pointing out that if you didn't want to encourage one-liner spammers, making one a mod probably wasn't the best idea.Vault Dweller said:If you thought it was a bad idea, you had 3 years to fix it.DarkUnderlord said:^ By the way, guess who's idea it was to make that guy a moderator.
I'm not upset with any of the discussion that's occured since 2007 or the members we've got since then. Some of them have come and gone and over time we've lost some of the better ones. I don't think they left because of "the decline" though and you'd mostly find it's more simply people moving on.Vault Dweller said:Anyway, 3 years later I can't help but notice that the plate is getting bigger and the cup is getting smaller.
Like kingcomrade's antics above? This is the problem I have. On the one hand, we "need to do something about the juvenile tards". On the other we have moderators being juvenile tards that (please correct me if I'm wrong) nobody would ever suggest banning today. Even Volourn has been mentioned in this thread as someone to ban because they're 'tarded. Yet he's someone we wouldn't ever do it to. As I said to NN, I've always disliked the disparity between the "dumbass" who gets banned for something that the "more elite" members get away with every day.Vault Dweller said:I'm suggesting that you do something about the juvenile tards.
The point was about moderation and the slippery slope where that lead. Yes after you said you wouldn't come back to just do content because you felt you needed to have say over the forums as well, Calis and I considered leaving and giving it to you lock, stock and smoking barrel as neither he nor I have the time to keep the place running on a technical level, create content and post news as well. If it was a choice between no content, no news (and thus a dead site) but active forums versus regular content and news with slower forums, we figured we'd piss off, let you loose and move on with our lives.Vault Dweller said:Calis pulled my forum admin access because he assumed that I'm about to start banning people, which wasn't going to happen. You're also well aware that you asked me to come back and that you regretted the misunderstanding, so why gloat about it now?
So you're saying you started a thread in the midst of "the decline" and had a developer respond, and without any moderation on the part of any moderators, a good discussion was had by all.Mantiis said:I know all about 'the decline' (I hate that term) you condensending cunt which is why I was more than happy to make that thread with that title cause at that time there were no developers on the boards (granted I don't have awesome database access to double check that like you do) so that thread was directed to the general codexer who's hivemind agreed that MotB was awesome. The ending fucking sucked for a number of reasons and in my rage I posted that - but to suggest that "FUCK EVERYONE WHO SAID MOTB WAS GOOD" was a personal attack and directed at a developer as opposed to codexers is just fucking stupid. They don't even post until the 7th or 8th page in that thread.
... and nothing's changed since then, so what exactly is your issue? Obviously I've missed something, so can you point to the thread where the developers are being directly insulted here and how it's become the norm so much that ACTION MUST BE TAKEN?Mantiis said:And I think you'll find that there was heated discussion in that thread with the word Fuck in it WITHOUT having to swear at the developers or call them fat or whatever.
Mantiis said:I started lurking on the dex before morrowind came out, I think one of my first posts was in its defence and I registered so I could defend it (I still like it, fuck you all). I know all about 'the decline' (I hate that term) you condensending cunt which is why I was more than happy to make that thread with that title cause at that time there were no developers on the boards (granted I don't have awesome database access to double check that like you do) so that thread was directed to the general codexer who's hivemind agreed that MotB was awesome. The ending fucking sucked for a number of reasons and in my rage I posted that - but to suggest that "FUCK EVERYONE WHO SAID MOTB WAS GOOD" was a personal attack and directed at a developer as opposed to codexers is just fucking stupid. They don't even post until the 7th or 8th page in that thread.
And I think you'll find that there was heated discussion in that thread with the word Fuck in it WITHOUT having to swear at the developers or call them fat or whatever.
You are trying far too hard to win an internet argument especially when I mostly fucking agree with you you tosspot. Except for the piccies of the developers. I fucking hate those.