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What game are you wasting time on?

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Wasting time on a lot of different things over the past few weeks.

-Speedrunning Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen. My first few runs were pretty bad, at 4 and 3 hours respectively. I thought Strider->Assassin was the correct routing and didn't realize just how robust the game is against sequence-breaking.

Checked out some SDA strats (there aren't many people running the game), and found that the credited vocation selection is to go Mage->Ranger.

The Mage vocation helps you to get past the escort section much faster, as you can keep the ox topped off with regards to health. Not only does this allow you to continuously kick the ox, causing it to run, but higher health means that the ox runs faster and further with each kick.

The change to Ranger is made before undertaking the two Wyrm Hunt quests (Dragonforged and the Catacombs) and after the Catacombs, you essentially do nothing but spam Sixfold Blast Arrows with stacked periapts. Even though you are unlikely to go beyond level 38 in the run, your character still has tremendous damage potential. The Maker's Finger takes care of Grigori and then it's off to the Everfall for a particularly vexing RNG-fest.

I'm not entirely certain what is the optimal route in there. Obviously the chambers with quick access to "boss" enemies are a good bet, because they can be quickly blasted for high Wakestone drop rates. And any chamber with Hell Hounds should likely be avoided, because they can easily kill a naked, under-leveled character and their grab attack causes serious frame hemorrhaging. But aside from that, I'm not certain. There's a lot of room for optimization here.

Have had a couple of runs around 1 hour and 55 minutes, which is decent, but far from the world record of 1 hour and 20 minutes; I make a lot of mistakes, especially with regards to menuing or timing my route around NPC schedules. I even take a death or two in most runs (usually to Snow Harpies when I try to pick up the Signs of Valor or getting trampled to death by the ox).

Perhaps I will, with practice, gitgud. Or maybe I'll stumble upon some goofy glitches that will speed up the run.

-Playing some Devil May Cry 4. Gotta gitgud in time for the special edition. I can still reliably S-Rank missions on DMD and go deep into the Bloody Palace, but my gameplay with Dante is still a bit stiff and kind of boring to watch.

-Screwing around with emulation. I'm playing a lot of different titles, so I'll just list a few that stand out.

*Secret of Mana: I suppose you had to "be there" to enjoy this game.

While it's quite nice looking and has a few interesting innovations, I was struggling to have any fun with the game 4-5 hours in. It simply isn't that well designed. It's, ostensibly, an action-RPG that does everything in it's power to discourage action. There's a universal cooldown between actions, the character's movements are stiff/clunky, hitboxes are strange (not bad, merely visually unintuitive), spells (both player and enemy) have no aiming/twitch component, and dodging/blocking is handed by random chance.

It all adds up to be a clunky mess, that's topped with uncommon annoyances like party members getting "stuck", forcing a reset if you don't have an additional controller (score one for emulators!), and infinite stunlocks aplenty.

I don't really like using the terms "outdated" or "aged poorly" with regards to games, but I'm unable to understand the gushing praise heaped upon this game. Do things change up significantly once you start acquiring multiple elements and explore new maps?

*Paper Mario: Guilty pleasure, but I really enjoy the way this RPG-lite is designed. Plenty easy for newbies to grind through, yet offers a compelling experience for more skilled players who will fight as few encounters as possible, dodging them via twitch skills or platforming, and make good use of special abilities to defeat bosses while being seriously under-leveled. Danger Mario is Best Mario

*Banjo Tooie: Some chan greentext seems appropriate here

>get to factory level
>spend 40 minutes just exploring and opening up the level
>have zero jiggies out of ten
>tfw a decade-old kid's game has more complex level design than most games nowadays
 
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I don't really like using the terms "outdated" or "aged poorly" with regards to games, but I'm unable to understand the gushing praise heaped upon this game. Do things change up significantly once you start acquiring multiple elements and explore new maps?

Nope. To use a similarly annoying word, it's "charming". It's objectively not very good, but I can't dislike it myself.
 

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Was playing Hotline Miami 2 for a bit, but it's nowhere near as good as the first. Very, very tedious gameplay (woohoo, having to replay a level 100 times because of shit design), and the writing during the interludes couldn't be much worse. Uninstalled it eventually.
 

Damned Registrations

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I don't really like using the terms "outdated" or "aged poorly" with regards to games, but I'm unable to understand the gushing praise heaped upon this game. Do things change up significantly once you start acquiring multiple elements and explore new maps?

Nope. To use a similarly annoying word, it's "charming". It's objectively not very good, but I can't dislike it myself.
I always thought Secret of Evermore was quite superior myself. I think the main draw for Secret of Mana was just curiosity about what the higher level weapons/their techniques would be as you played. That shit was like crack when I was a kid.

Legend of Mana, OTOH, is genuinely rather interesting. It's full of design flaws and poor balance, but it's also wonderfully creative and original in many ways. The smithing system alone would be a viable foundation to build an entire game off of.
 

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People like this game because they played it when they were young and we didn't care so much about mechanics; more about imagination. When I was a kid this game sparked it. I imagined wandering forests and exploring the world. It let me know what an RPG is like, sort of. What exploring and adventuring were, and why I love them. And holy fuck if you think the art/music aren't fantastic I will eat you.




Pretty sure people like it more as a (primitive) storyfag game than for its mechanics. This was my first SNES game so it also has a special place in my heart. Secret of Evermore is considered inferior by almost every gaming magazine that came out in the day of that game, too. (Though I disagree, I think they're about equal, they just hit different notes.)

Terranigma is a much more evolved version of this kind of game. Man, Terranigma... what a great game. Why don't you go play that instead? It has actual mechanics and doesn't overstay its welcome. Plus it's fairly Codexian.
 

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Which reminds me, of the handful of SNES titles I have yet to play, Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore are two of them.

Terranigma, huh? I'll make a note of that as well. :)
 

Jasede

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It's a real treat, most Americans I know love it when they finally get to play it thanks to emulation. See, in Europe, we didn't get FF 4 or 6 or Chrono Trigger, but we got Terranigma instead. Which wasn't a worthy trade because it's 1 for 3, but it's a game that's up to par with those three.
 
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Chariots of War.

Again.

Boiling lebanese cloaked figure ambassadors alive while my bronze age hordes cross their border never ceases to amuse me.
 

ERYFKRAD

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Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Trying out Chaos Reborn. Like every other game, I suck at it.
Some damn cool visuals too.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Tried to play all the Hitman and MGS games because I wanted to play a stealth game. I lasted about 10-30 minutes with each.

I've played these to death on earlier PlayStation consoles and realized I just want a new, good stealth game. I might keep going with MGS3 just for the sake of it. We'll see.

Other than that: Pillars of Eternity on PC and Virtue's Last Reward on PS Vita.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Have you tried Alien Isolation? It's kind of a stealth game.
I've read about it. I might try it in the future but I'm not sure my PC can run it. I've had it since 2009.

I'm going to give Thi4f another shot and see if I last more than 10 minutes this time.
 

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Dead Space 1, now Chapter 12.

Causes of my deaths so far:

Necromorphs: 1
0G jumping glitch: 3
Environmental hazards such as meteors, mobing machinery: 6.
 

Jasede

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Have you tried Alien Isolation? It's kind of a stealth game.
I've read about it. I might try it in the future but I'm not sure my PC can run it. I've had it since 2009.

I'm going to give Thi4f another shot and see if I last more than 10 minutes this time.
It runs fairly well on my rather old gaming notebook from 4 years ago, if you have a solid desktop it might run okay. But you should have a powerful graphics card.
 

zwanzig_zwoelf

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Currently playing Floor 13. Pretty nice way to waste time, and goes well if you listen to the Mirrors (PC88/FM Towns) soundtrack while playing it.
Feels nice to accuse some government dumbfuck of distributing pornography or enjoying fag orgies while listening to soothing music.

Also playing Policenauts and getting my ass kicked for touching tits just to see them bounce.
 

Lios

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Sacred 2.
I like how people rage over D:OS (mostly stupid) attempts at humour
when in S2 you can have that idiot from Blind Guardian as a temporary companion

in a quest to find his band members' stolen instruments
which were stolen by some "undead metal fans"

that guy also shoots beams from his staff which is the equivalent of a microphone or a freudian meatspit dick
after you finish said quest, you get treated to a 3d blind guardian videoclip
with the band 3d rendered in 3d 2005 graphics playing live
in front of an audience that consists of the enemies you slaughter throwin devil horns in the air, ecstatic

uninstalled.
But the mediterannean grasslands and villages/towns were nirvana inducing
when I wasn't being chased by mobs of thousand skeletons or slaves or whatever
 

pippin

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That bit with Blind Guardian was sad, especially if you consider they originally wanted to be on the LotR soundtrack, but ended up being in Sacred 2 and Uwe Boll's adaptation of Dungeon Siege.
 

The Fish

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People like this game because they played it when they were young and we didn't care so much about mechanics; more about imagination. When I was a kid this game sparked it. I imagined wandering forests and exploring the world. It let me know what an RPG is like, sort of. What exploring and adventuring were, and why I love them. And holy fuck if you think the art/music aren't fantastic I will eat you.




Pretty sure people like it more as a (primitive) storyfag game than for its mechanics. This was my first SNES game so it also has a special place in my heart. Secret of Evermore is considered inferior by almost every gaming magazine that came out in the day of that game, too. (Though I disagree, I think they're about equal, they just hit different notes.)

Terranigma is a much more evolved version of this kind of game. Man, Terranigma... what a great game. Why don't you go play that instead? It has actual mechanics and doesn't overstay its welcome. Plus it's fairly Codexian.


Have you played seiken densetsu 3?
 

Daedalos

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Currently playing:

Heroes of the Storm
Hearthstone
Abit of the Starcraft 2: Legacy of the void beta

Pillars of Eternity
Resident evil: Revelations 2
Shadowrun Returns DC

Will be playing: Mortal Kombat X and GTA V in about a week, too.
 

Eirikur

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PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015
Spontaneously decided to look up a terrible old game I hadn't played since my mid-teens. Remembered how horrifyingly bad it is. Check out the first 50 seconds of this playthrough:

 

CryptRat

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People like this game because they played it when they were young and we didn't care so much about mechanics; more about imagination. When I was a kid this game sparked it. I imagined wandering forests and exploring the world. It let me know what an RPG is like, sort of. What exploring and adventuring were, and why I love them. And holy fuck if you think the art/music aren't fantastic I will eat you.



Pretty sure people like it more as a (primitive) storyfag game than for its mechanics. This was my first SNES game so it also has a special place in my heart. Secret of Evermore is considered inferior by almost every gaming magazine that came out in the day of that game, too. (Though I disagree, I think they're about equal, they just hit different notes.)

Terranigma is a much more evolved version of this kind of game. Man, Terranigma... what a great game. Why don't you go play that instead? It has actual mechanics and doesn't overstay its welcome. Plus it's fairly Codexian.


Have you played seiken densetsu 3?


I also think that Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore are different enough to be 2 full good games.

As a child, i thought that Secret of Evermore was worse because you can't play with your friends. But it has the best atmosphere, and some weird secrets, like the bazooka.

I still consider Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Secret of Evermore (and Sword of Mana, Legend of Mana) as very good games, completely playable today.
Seiken Densetsu 3 even have character selection and a class system with branches.
For example, the fact that you musn't mash the attack button is very cool, and it's not a standard.
I prefer an enchanting chilidish plot to an emo-teenagers romance plot and, once again, I don't think it's a standard.

I'm stuck in Terranigma (in chapter 2?). The plot seems to be great. It's not impossible that i'm stuck because of a bug in my version of the game : I must trigger some water-falling event by collecting souls ; I have already done the same things two times, but the third time i don't find any soul.
 

Jasede

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Water-falling event, collecting souls? More details. Where are you and what's your goal? This doesn't found familiar. Are you in Zoe, that long-ass African dungeon where you are trying to create rain?
 

CryptRat

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Sorry, you're right, but i'm a complete retard. I needed to push a tree trunk into the water and then i'm not stuck anymore.
Returning to a game after a long break is sometimes the right thing to do.
 

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Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
Nethergate and MM2. Good times
 

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