Warhammer Total War: Warhammer III

[Raghar]

Just fix the game, you bums.

Until pirates would spread pirated copy they will not. They can sit on pile of shit and earn money.

 

[Storyfag]

Naval battles in Empire...removed in warhammer

Warhammer don't have much naval battles to begin with in setting.

Mate, there was a whole Specialist Games line devoted to naval battles. Hot Skaven Warp-powered contraption on Dark Elf enslaved sea monster on Imperial High Seas Fleet action!

 

[VerSacrum]

Attila isn't as good as people make it out to be.

The settlement burning mechanic was pure incline

 

[Fedora Master]

Attila isn't as good as people make it out to be.

Go play Troy

 

[Caim]

Naval battles in Empire...removed in warhammer

Warhammer don't have much naval battles to begin with in setting.

Mate, there was a whole Specialist Games line devoted to naval battles. Hot Skaven Warp-powered contraption on Dark Elf enslaved sea monster on Imperial High Seas Fleet action!

The raider vessels of Norsca, the golden fleets of the Tomb Kings, Bretonnian vessels that use cannons because it's not unchivalrous if it's on the open seas, and so on.

I don't remember who got the submarines: the Scottish accented Dwarfs or the Orcs so that you can make Red Orctober jokes. I know there were rules for Orkish submarines in the tabletop game of 40k.

 

[Socrates]

Unless they decided to add in Nippon, Ind and Araby as completely new factions the most they can do is add in the last few characters from the lore that aren't in and add a few more factions.

They really should add those, and give the empire another rework because they are painfully underpowered.

 

[Caim]

Unless they decided to add in Nippon, Ind and Araby as completely new factions the most they can do is add in the last few characters from the lore that aren't in and add a few more factions.

They really should add those, and give the empire another rework because they are painfully underpowered.

Add the Halfling Hot Pot. Shoot your enemies with boiling hot soup.

 

[Cyberarmy]

I think Dogs of War and Halflings are on the table but pretty sure they won't add Nippon and Araby sadly.

 

[Lacrymas]

They'll milk this until there's not even corpse juices left, so Nippon and Araby are 100% on the table. Unless everyone stops buying the DLCs, which isn't an unrealistic scenario.

 

[Average Manatee]

I think Dogs of War and Halflings are on the table but pretty sure they won't add Nippon and Araby sadly.

GW is trying to make Kislev and Cathay into tabletop factions. I expect how that performs to determine Nippon and Araby

 

[Lacrymas]

Neither Kislev nor Cathay are interesting or thematic. They also expose a problem with the setting that was already hinted at with Bretonnia - only the humans have cultural diversity, every other race is a monolith.

 

[Average Manatee]

Not true if you consider the three elven factions the same race. They are the singular exception though

 

[Mitleser2020]

Not true if you consider the three elven factions the same race

Or dwarfs.

 

[Lacrymas]

Not true if you consider the three elven factions the same race. They are the singular exception though

Yeah, I forgot about them. I'd argue that only the wood and high elves are a good example because the dark elves, just like with chorfs, are corrupted versions that wouldn't be there if there wasn't literally an evil outside force that physically and spiritually change them.

 

[Jeskis]

I am 100% sure Kislev could have been cool, be it the old GW. But we are talking about contemporary GW who are responsible for AoS.

 

[Lacrymas]

The thematic problem with Kislev and Cathay (and to an extent Bretonnia) is that they feel like parodies of whatever culture they are trying to emulate. I understand the Empire is aping the Holy Roman Empire, but it's like a maximalist approach to it rather than a parody. In terms of gameplay performance, Kislev is all over the place and bad, Cathay is boring but at least functional. I'd argue this parodic interpretation seeped into the demons as well. N'Kari looks bad to me in-game instead of what a demon is "supposed" to look like. Here is a much more grotesque version of it that I prefer -

 

[Jeskis]

The thematic problem with Kislev and Cathay (and to an extent Bretonnia) is that they feel like parodies of whatever culture they are trying to emulate. I understand the Empire is aping the Holy Roman Empire, but it's like a maximalist approach to it rather than a parody. In terms of gameplay performance, Kislev is all over the place and bad, Cathay is boring but at least functional. I'd argue this parodic interpretation seeped into the demons as well. N'Kari looks bad to me in-game instead of what a demon is "supposed" to look like. Here is a much more grotesque version of it that I prefer -

Empire looks good because it was designed by talented people who studied the subject thoroughly and drew inspiration from it. Kislev is cheap power fantasy by lazy hacks hence it looks like a parody. It’s just so full of possibilities if you ever studied some history — a Humanity frontier, a survivalist nation relying heavily on religion and cult of war. Show them miserable and susceptible to corruption, check some history books for visual references and you have faction that is full of atmosphere and lore. But if you are a lazy hack with zero history background it sure ends up being a parody with bears and snow magic.

 

[Average Manatee]

Not true if you consider the three elven factions the same race. They are the singular exception though

Yeah, I forgot about them. I'd argue that only the wood and high elves are a good example because the dark elves, just like with chorfs, are corrupted versions that wouldn't be there if there wasn't literally an evil outside force that physically and spiritually change them.

Ehh? I don't think that's the case for Dark Elves. It's just an endless civil war/succession dispute over whether Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King

Spoiler

in the end times he apparently was the rightful phoenix king all along so the thousands of years of bloodshed was just for the lulz

While the dark elves dabble in chaos it seems pretty clear that they are still an anti-chaos faction and are mostly in control of it rather than letting it corrupt them.

If anything its the Wood Elves who seem more far gone, having a symbiotic relationship with forest spirits that can drive them to be almost feral against their hapless neighbors. Dark Elves on the other hand are only using dark power for the specific use of trying to win a war against the fuckhuge OP high elven super island from their few colonies in the frozen shithole canada and with a few big pirate ships.

 

[Socrates]

Not true if you consider the three elven factions the same race. They are the singular exception though

Yeah, I forgot about them. I'd argue that only the wood and high elves are a good example because the dark elves, just like with chorfs, are corrupted versions that wouldn't be there if there wasn't literally an evil outside force that physically and spiritually change them.

Ehh? I don't think that's the case for Dark Elves. It's just an endless civil war/succession dispute over whether Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King

The true civil war:

 

[Lacrymas]

Not true if you consider the three elven factions the same race. They are the singular exception though

Yeah, I forgot about them. I'd argue that only the wood and high elves are a good example because the dark elves, just like with chorfs, are corrupted versions that wouldn't be there if there wasn't literally an evil outside force that physically and spiritually change them.

Ehh? I don't think that's the case for Dark Elves. It's just an endless civil war/succession dispute over whether Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King

Spoiler

in the end times he apparently was the rightful phoenix king all along so the thousands of years of bloodshed was just for the lulz

While the dark elves dabble in chaos it seems pretty clear that they are still an anti-chaos faction and are mostly in control of it rather than letting it corrupt them.

If anything its the Wood Elves who seem more far gone, having a symbiotic relationship with forest spirits that can drive them to be almost feral against their hapless neighbors. Dark Elves on the other hand are only using dark power for the specific use of trying to win a war against the fuckhuge OP high elven super island from their few colonies in the frozen shithole canada and with a few big pirate ships.

Morathi is literally a Slaaneshi cultist who spreads corruption in her lands ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And according to the wiki, Malekith found a Chaos-infused crown after leaving Ulthuan while the elves of Nagarythe fell into decadence and worship of "exotic gods" (which I interpret as the Chaos gods), initiated by Morathi. The civil war was due to this, not due to any political maneuvering. This is another problem with this setting - everything bad has to do with Chaos in some way. Also, afaik there was never a dispute about who the "rightful heir" is, it has always been Malekith, but the princes chose another guy and Malekith was ok with it.

 

[Average Manatee]

On the other hand Morathi and the dark elves have both existed for thousands of years without apparently suffering either the physical (chaos deformities) or mental (being subordinate to chaos, going insane) problems of chaos subordination, and in fact they fight chaos coming from the wastes on a semi-regular basis. I get that in warhammer lore its supposed to be impossible to be in contact with chaos without being corrupted by it but clearly the dark elves are multiple orders of magnitude less susceptible than humans somehow. Even the ruthlessness of the Dark Elves seems to stem from Khaine, it's certainly not in the Slaaneshi portfolio. There is a bit of controversy over whether Khaine is just Khorne, though, but then the High Elves also semi-worship Khaine too so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Fedora Master]

Also, afaik there was never a dispute about who the "rightful heir"

End Times asspull

 

[Storyfag]

This is another problem with this setting - everything bad has to do with Chaos in some way.

I raise you: Nagash.

 

[Storyfag]

in fact they fight chaos coming from the wastes on a semi-regular basis.

Thos proves nothing. Chaos fights Chaos on a semi-regular basis too. Even worshippers of the same God fight each other.

 

[Lacrymas]

This is another problem with this setting - everything bad has to do with Chaos in some way.

I raise you: Nagash.

He became so powerful because he ate warpstone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯