To Paradox Games, or not to Paradox Games?

[Ruprekt]

It's a pity the games don't include more background info. They kinda rely on you're either being a history buff or your having a library at hand if you're going to get into the spirit of the larp.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Both HoI3 and Vicky2 improve on all aspects of their predecessors,

0/10 troll attempt failed..


HoI3 and V2 run so much slower than their predecessors that they are nearly unplayable, and they are plagued by bugs and idiotic AI.

But then again, all Paradox games are unplayable upon release.

Someone hasn't tried them out following the patches. HoI3 runs at a very respectable speed post-FtM expansion, even when Barbarossa starts, and Vicky 2 hasn't had problems with the 20th century in a long time, and only slows down if lots of assholes mobilize (easily fixed).

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Both HoI3 and Vicky2 improve on all aspects of their predecessors,

0/10 troll attempt failed..


HoI3 and V2 run so much slower than their predecessors that they are nearly unplayable, and they are plagued by bugs and idiotic AI.

But then again, all Paradox games are unplayable upon release.

Someone hasn't tried them out following the patches. HoI3 runs at a very respectable speed post-FtM expansion, even when Barbarossa starts, and Vicky 2 hasn't had problems with the 20th century in a long time, and only slows down if lots of assholes mobilize (easily fixed).

+1

 

[curry]

It's a pity the games don't include more background info. They kinda rely on you're either being a history buff or your having a library at hand if you're going to get into the spirit of the larp.

actually older paradox games are FULL of info. They shoot events with long ass descriptions at you all the time.

 

[MetalCraze]

I've never played Victoria/Victoria 2. I've heard it's more of an economic game, but I'm wary about that label because, as I said in my previous post, I've read people claiming they were playing economy-focused EU3 games and it was boring. Is the economy in Victoria really more complex than in EU3 and do you spend more time managing your economy, as opposed to map-painting?

It isn't "more of an economic game". It just has more complex economy than any other Paradox game.
You can still fight wars all you want (or have to if you are a shithole)

 

[Trash]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

 

[oscar]

It's a pity the games don't include more background info. They kinda rely on you're either being a history buff or your having a library at hand if you're going to get into the spirit of the larp.

actually older paradox games are FULL of info. They shoot events with long ass descriptions at you all the time.

EU2 with AGCEEP my friend.

 

[CrimsonAngel]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

You should try them online.
It changes things a LOT!.

 

[zool]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

I'm anxiously waiting for CK2 too but deep inside me, I fear the loss of personal charm and atmosphere that has hurt other new Paradox titles will be there too in CK2. I think the shift to the 3D map has killed a lot of the former titles' oldschool feel, as well as the more spreadsheet-like feeling you mentioned.

 

[Destroid]

Personally, I'm ready for the new shit.

 

[MetalCraze]

I don't know what Trash is on about. Each new Paradox line has more gameplay features than its predecessor and more complex mechanics allowing for more varied gameplay - and EU3/Vicky2/HoI3 are no different.

Especially HoI3 which is now a proper wargame too among other things a game can provide.

 

[Grunker]

more gameplay features than its predecessor and more complex mechanics allowing for more varied gameplay

Oh, you mean like cIV compared to CivIII?

 

[anus_pounder]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

what ? how ? test copy ? fuck you?!

 

[Muty]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

what ? how ? test copy ? fuck you?!

Beta most probably.
Nothing to see actually, trash is right about it, but I do have hope that CK2 will be better :/ .

 

[Kane]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

I think you're just getting used to Paradox Games in general.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Sengoku might be the same deal as Two Thrones. Nobody ever remembers that piece of crap. But TT didn't ruin their other games.

 

[jonnypolen]

Gamersgate.com has a sale on Paradox games right now, btw. 50 % off most titles, it seems.

 

[curry]

Used to love the Paradox games but am slowly growing colder towards them. Their older games always felt very distinct and had a lot of personal charm and atmosphere. The newer ones seem much more samey, lack the quirkiness and are defenitely more spreadsheet like. I think EU: Rome was the last game that truly felt like something new and even there the decline had set in.

Playing Sengoku atm and it feels like the culmination of the way Paradox are designing their games today. At least CK2 appears to have a good chance at being serious incline.

what ? how ? test copy ? fuck you?!

Don't be jealous. It will be practically unplayable until the third patch.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

more gameplay features than its predecessor and more complex mechanics allowing for more varied gameplay

Oh, you mean like cIV compared to CivIII?

This is an free zone! Don't bring your filth into a Paradox topic!

 

[1eyedking]

Downloaded and played Europa Universalis III for a while.

Fucking boring, and pretty much zero historical fappability, a fact that instantly makes Civilization the better game since its simpler mechanics allows you to focus completely on strategy and deeper thinking instead of watching bars getting filled.

I suppose it's good training for corporate underlings, though.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Downloaded and played Europa Universalis III for a while.

Fucking boring, and pretty much zero historical fappability, a fact that instantly makes Civilization the better game since its simpler mechanics allows you to focus completely on strategy and deeper thinking instead of watching bars getting filled.

I suppose it's good training for corporate underlings, though.

Too complicated, newfag?

 

[GarfunkeL]

Try EU2 then, Argie.

 

[MetalCraze]

If you want history in your games you are a retard.

Paradox games reach their peak when there's no history whatsoever.

 

[1eyedking]

Too complicated, newfag?

Too convoluted. Good games are simple, my friend, but I'm sure your neardentalic brian translates fluff, adornment and needless excess as 'unparalelled complexity'. Monkeys will be monekys, I guess.

@skyway: I meant historic fap in the sense of artt direction. Music (save for the main theme) is crap, graphics and HUD design is as neutral as it comes, sound effects nonexistent, and writing is either bad (the tutorial's "little man", for example) or plain uninspiring.

There's no "Liberty or death!" feeling, no "For the Fatherland/For the King!" stuff going on, you've got to LARP it yourself which means developers were plain lazy at making players get inspired and/or immersed by their games. And as I said, Civilization games have infinitely better gameplay than EU3, so what's the point then? From what I can surmiae it all boils down to idiots like Flying Spaghhetti going "It's too complex for the masses" and getting their daily dose of ego masturbation since he probably can't get it from anywhere else in his life.

Carry on, Codex.

 

[pipka]