Roma Surrectum mod for Rome Total War

[Tycn]

Is EB still the better choice? I just picked up RTW and started playing with Roma Surrectum II but the fact that they've nerfed the attack power of legions kind of ruins it for me.

Also, is there any merit to a vanilla playthrough, and should I get the expansions?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I'm having a shitload of fun with Barbarian Invasion 2 at the moment. I wouldn't call the AI brilliant, but it definitely manages a leg up on even EB from the 100 turns that I've played so far.

 

[oscar]

Barbarian Invasion 2?

 

[Trash]

Invasio Barbarum?

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113

 

[JarlFrank]

Currently playing RS2 a lot. I put lots of cash into developing Akragas so I can get the legions as soon as possible. It does take a while until you can actually recruit them outside of Italy, but it's worth it. Finally I'm managing to push back those damn Macedons. Arverni declared war on me out of the blue, as if those Gallaeci weren't enough trouble (I'm completely on the defensive against them - have a city with huge walls there, and the Gallaeci are coming with at least one full stack every two turns), but I already started going on the offensive against them. Carthage has been thrown out of Africa, they only have their Spanish provinces left. The Greek Cities have only Athens left in Western Europe, the rest of their lands is at the Black Sea.

Sparta, the Scythians and the Belgae are my allies. After vanquishing my current foes (which will still take some time) I'll probably go after the Ptolemaics.

 

[SerratedBiz]

Seeing how I burned out of playing standard R:TW years ago I installed it again and thought of trying some of the fantasy mods they've done for it. Has anyone tried them, that can give any recommendation? The ones that caught my attention were the Warhammer and Fourth Age ones I saw listed at the twcenter.net forums.

 

[oscar]

The whole "legions are nerfed heaps when your playing Romans" sounds pretty lame. I understand it's to ensure a challenge against the AI but any number of solutions (make legions more expensive, make it easier for your foes to recruit, make it you face lots of revolts) would be better then that.

 

[Malakal]

The whole "legions are nerfed heaps when your playing Romans" sounds pretty lame. I understand it's to ensure a challenge against the AI but any number of solutions (make legions more expensive, make it easier for your foes to recruit, make it you face lots of revolts) would be better then that.

Why? Its a solution like any other. The fact is that IRL legions were both cheaper, more avaiable and better trained/disciplined than their enemies, translating this into a game is rather hard. Arbitrary nerfs to power are as good as arbitrary nerfs to cost or training time.

 

[JarlFrank]

Seeing how I burned out of playing standard R:TW years ago I installed it again and thought of trying some of the fantasy mods they've done for it. Has anyone tried them, that can give any recommendation? The ones that caught my attention were the Warhammer and Fourth Age ones I saw listed at the twcenter.net forums.

Fourth Age is good, haven't played Warhammer.

The Third Age mod for Medieval 2 is better, though. Also Medieval 2 has Call of Warhammer, which is fucking awesome.

Both Med2 mods require the Kingdoms expansion, though.

 

[JarlFrank]

The whole "legions are nerfed heaps when your playing Romans" sounds pretty lame. I understand it's to ensure a challenge against the AI but any number of solutions (make legions more expensive, make it easier for your foes to recruit, make it you face lots of revolts) would be better then that.

Eh, the legions are actually p. good units, especially those with segmentata armour. Yes, they're probably not the best units in the whole game (fighting Macedonian elite phalangites is a challenge even with top notch legions), but then again the Romans weren't so successful because of unstoppable über-skill murder tanks, but because they had high discipline (and the legions do have high morale, I've seldomly had them flee even when highly outnumbered) and because the Romans used the better military tactics.
Which is kinda like how it works in the game, too. Throw your legions frontally against the enemy and you might lose. Use flanking tactics, use auxiliaries smartly etc, and you will win.

Legions *did* occasionally lose against their enemies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... 8279_BC%29

 

[Malakal]

The whole "legions are nerfed heaps when your playing Romans" sounds pretty lame. I understand it's to ensure a challenge against the AI but any number of solutions (make legions more expensive, make it easier for your foes to recruit, make it you face lots of revolts) would be better then that.

Eh, the legions are actually p. good units, especially those with segmentata armour. Yes, they're probably not the best units in the whole game (fighting Macedonian elite phalangites is a challenge even with top notch legions), but then again the Romans weren't so successful because of unstoppable über-skill murder tanks, but because they had high discipline (and the legions do have high morale, I've seldomly had them flee even when highly outnumbered) and because the Romans used the better military tactics.
Which is kinda like how it works in the game, too. Throw your legions frontally against the enemy and you might lose. Use flanking tactics, use auxiliaries smartly etc, and you will win.

Legions *did* occasionally lose against their enemies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... 8279_BC%29

They had tactics, discipline and mainly NUMBERS. When Hannibal invaded Italy he raped legion after legion but Rome still fielded more and more. At their best point in the times of Republic Rome was able to field 1 MILLION people. Its something that no other nation before the modern age could do (maybe China if it were united at the time).

 

[oscar]

The biggest threat to Rome was always itself (well before the barbarian migrations). If they could model your generals getting a little too ambitious and marching on Rome to lead a coup and the numerous civil wars then all would be well.

 

[Tycn]

Tried EB. Fucking love the new voice acting and the unpronouncable unit names. Also I prefer the slower recruitment compared to 0-turn that RS is supposed to be played with. Think I'll be sticking with this one.

 

[1eyedking]

lol rectum

Let me kindly parrot this one:

 

[oscar]

So any more conclusions on the EB vs RS debate? The fact EB makes good computers chug concerns me. And I would not call my laptop good.

 

[Tycn]

Are you using the Rome executable? I've heard that the Alexander one offers better performance, might be worth a try if you don't mind the AI retraining liberally.

 

[Trash]

The AI retraining units after they have sustained losses is one of the best features of the Alexander.exe. With that one you really don't want those Germanic stacks to retreat safely after fighting them turn after turn.

 

[MonkeyLancer]

The fact EB makes good computers chug concerns me. And I would not call my laptop good.

When EB 2 comes out, I wonder if the scripting will cause similar chuggery

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Barbarian Invasion 2?

Sorry, I meant Viking Invasion 2!

 

[Trash]

Try playing it as the southern Anglo-Saxons. Hardest starting game ever in a RTW game.

 

[JarlFrank]

I'm playing VI2 with the Norwegians. And damn, fighting those Irish is fucking annoying with a purely infantry-based army. Damn skirmishing cavalry.

 

[aintnothang]

RSII looks too nice to use anything else. If the nerfed legions are a problem take the export_descr_units.txt from one of the other campaigns and copy the Roman stats over into the Roman campaign, or just change their stats yourself.

 

[Serious_Business]

Fuck looking nice. Why would I give a shit? Is this any better than EB? Anyone can answer? I mean, for the historically anal, EB is still better choice right? I don't give a shit about fun, I want history. I fired this up and Scipio Africanus is 52 years old by the time of the 2nd punic war. Conclusion :

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Try playing it as the southern Anglo-Saxons. Hardest starting game ever in a RTW game.

I'm playing VI2 with the Norwegians. And damn, fighting those Irish is fucking annoying with a purely infantry-based army. Damn skirmishing cavalry.

Seriously, VI2 is the hardest flavor of Total War I've tasted.

I mean, for the historically anal, EB is still better choice right?

Yes.

 

[Forest Dweller]

What about for the "more options and more complexity" anal?