Playing KotOR for the first time, does it get better?

[abnaxus]

Didn't HK47 make fun of Carth and Bastilla in KotOR2 ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr81SliHytA

 

[Sacculina]

Didn't HK47 make fun of Carth and Bastilla in KotOR2 ?

"My master had quite the collection of tortured individuals that seemed unable to confront their basic personality conflicts. Let me cite some specific examples. Mockery: [In Carth's voice] 'Oh, master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you or anyone ever again!' Mockery: [In Bastila's voice] 'Oh, master, I love you, but I hate all you stand for, but I think we should go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!' [Returning to his own voice] Such pheromone-driven human responses never cease to decrease the charge in my capacitors and make me wish I could press a blaster pistol to my behavior core and pull the trigger."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9LgUXdxkE0

 

[wwsd]

It's certainly understandable that people like KOTOR2 better than its predecessor, but the games have too much in common to declare that the first one was shit and the second one brilliant.

I did like how they tried to make something out of all the different "gamey" things in KOTOR2. For instance, the influence thing, combined with the story aspect of the PC forming intense bonds with everyone that travelled with them. They basically tried to offer an explanation of why exactly the other party members would help you slaughter innocents if you initiated a fight with them, and in all kinds of choice situations, you didn't just have to consider whether it would make you more light or dark, but also how party members would respond to your choices. This would determine how many conversation options you'd get with them. It was pretty unlikely to get all the characters' dialogues and backstories in one playthrough.

It also determined your ability to train certain party members as (Dark) Jedi. I'm pretty sure it's not very usual in the Star Wars universe for anyone to be able to train force-sensitive adults into fully-fledged Jedi, but departing from silly conventions like that and giving the player the opportunity was the right choice to make. Of course they gave some dumb Force-related explanation for that, but nobody takes that seriously anyway. Whereas in the first game, they exerted just a bit too much effort to make it into a Star Wars game: it had to include Tatooine, wookiees, Jedi training, redemption of evil characters, etc., just to mirror the films. Although for both games, the best decision was to set it 3 millennia before that.

Combat in both games was hardly worth mentioning, but in the first game, you could breeze through every problem easily by mashing the "Flurry" button. KOTOR2 did at least have some enemies that could actually hurt you at times.

 

[DemonKing]

I actually quite enjoyed the original KotOR (particulary taking the Dark Side path) - it's only with the passing of years that you realise it was the unwavering template for every Bio game since that you begin to get annoyed with it.

 

[wwsd]

Maybe it helps make KOTOR1 more tolerable when you've never been spoiled by Bioware's subsequent output. Would it be fair to say that those later games took all the worse aspects of KOTOR? I honestly have no idea and I don't intend to find out.

 

[l3loodAngel]

You're playing the wrong one, skip to 2.

Definitely, I had much more fun playing 2 without having played the first one. Anyway, I have finished 1 after 2 and the only thing it did, it made kotor 2 less enjoyable...

 

[J1M]

As for KotOR itself: David Gaider, who wrote HK-47 and a few other situations/characters, was surprised by the excessive praise given to his narrative contribution to the game by critics. He didn't even think HK-47, his own creation, was funny.

*That* would explain why HK is a cool character despite having been written by that hack!

Well according to something else he said, HK47 was written very quickly. Essentially in an afternoon.

 

[Deleted Member 10432]

Didn't HK47 make fun of Carth and Bastilla in KotOR2 ?

Yes.

My master had quite the collection of tortured individuals that seemed unable to confront their basic personality conflicts. Let me cite some specific examples.

Mockery: 'Oh, master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you or anyone ever again!'

Mockery: 'Oh, master, I love you, but I hate all you stand for, but I think we should go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!'

Such pheromone-driven human responses never cease to decrease the charge in my capacitors and make me wish I could press a blaster pistol to my behavior core and pull the trigger. I am pleased that this does not seem to be the case with your current entourage.

 

[Relay]

I don't understand Kreia's cult following (which is the primary reason why people praise KOTOR2 so much), Kreia is the textbook antagonist : [something] (in Kreia's case, the force) felt messed up in my life, I feel butthurt about this [thing] and thus will engage in a crusade to eliminate it, no matter what the cost. How is that not evil ? Most actually evil people will pretend they're doing things in the name of the greater good. The only people who will actually do things "in the name of evil" would usually end up in an insane asylum. Kreia is like the Fallout's master, or BG2's Irenicus. Not bad, but certainly not worthy of so much praise. I could even compare Kreia to DA2's Meredith prior to her being under the influence of the idol.

 

[Grunker]

I don't understand Kreia's cult following (which is the primary reason why people praise KOTOR2 so much)

wat

 

[abnaxus]

I don't understand Kreia's cult following (which is the primary reason why people praise KOTOR2 so much), Kreia is the textbook antagonist : [something] (in Kreia's case, the force) felt messed up in my life, I feel butthurt about this [thing] and thus will engage in a crusade to eliminate it, no matter what the cost. How is that not evil ? Most actually evil people will pretend they're doing things in the name of the greater good. The only people who will actually do things "in the name of evil" would usually end up in an insane asylum. Kreia is like the Fallout's master, or BG2's Irenicus. Not bad, but certainly not worthy of so much praise. I could even compare Kreia to DA2's Meredith prior to her being under the influence of the idol.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I don't understand Kreia's cult following (which is the primary reason why people praise KOTOR2 so much), Kreia is the textbook antagonist : [something] (in Kreia's case, the force) felt messed up in my life, I feel butthurt about this [thing] and thus will engage in a crusade to eliminate it, no matter what the cost. How is that not evil ? Most actually evil people will pretend they're doing things in the name of the greater good. The only people who will actually do things "in the name of evil" would usually end up in an insane asylum. Kreia is like the Fallout's master, or BG2's Irenicus. Not bad, but certainly not worthy of so much praise. I could even compare Kreia to DA2's Meredith prior to her being under the influence of the idol.

The difference is that Kreia has a lot more to say, especially when it comes to important stuff, than the last two and had a legitimate beef with predestination.

 

[Mastermind]

I am pleased that this does not seem to be the case with your current entourage.

He actually says that... with Atton in the game...

 

[Mastermind]

The difference is that Kreia has a lot more to say, especially when it comes to important stuff, than the last two

"More to say" isn't a good thing when what you're saying is stupid shit.

and had a legitimate beef with predestination.

And I have a legitimate beef with gravity. Can I be worshipped like Fagellone too?

 

[Sceptic]

And I have a legitimate beef with gravity. Can I be worshipped like Fagellone too?

If you can write as well as him, sure.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

and had a legitimate beef with predestination.

And I have a legitimate beef with gravity. Can I be worshipped like Fagellone too?

Well, there's more than a subtle difference between life without gravity and life without The Force...

 

[Deleted Member 10432]

I am pleased that this does not seem to be the case with your current entourage.

He actually says that... with Atton in the game...

Yes. Possibly it's an incredibly stupid oversight, possibly Avellone is the one American with enough of a glimmer of intellect - however slim - to recognise and be able to deploy irony.

 

[Stinger]

Ummm can't the Exile call HK47 out on this and say that her "Entourage" really is that messed up?

EDIT: Yes, yes you can. Click on Abnaxus's vid and go to 3:09. One dialogue option is "Maybe you should turn your photoreceptors up a little more and pay more attention" - Avellone was parodying Kotor knowing full well he was doing something similar. An "affectionate" parody if you will.

 

[Mastermind]

I am pleased that this does not seem to be the case with your current entourage.

He actually says that... with Atton in the game...

Yes. Possibly it's an incredibly stupid oversight, possibly Avellone is the one American with enough of a glimmer of intellect - however slim - to recognise and be able to deploy irony.

Irony is most often deployed unintentionally.

 

[Jaesun]

KotOR: Fucking Shit

KotOR II: Pure Awesome.

The End.

 

[Roguey]

^ an example of an absurd opinion since they're pretty much the same only one has slightly better themes and a lot of annoying body-hopping bullshit to get through.

 

[racofer]

It works for FO3/NV, why shouldn't it work for KotOR as well?

 

[Mastermind]

It works for NV/FO3, why shouldn't it work for KotOR as well?

Fixed.

 

[Wyrmlord]

KotOR: Fucking Shit

KotOR II: Pure Awesome.

The End.

Another member of the Obsidian Defence Force.

 

[Sceptic]

KotOR: Fucking Shit

KotOR II: Pure Awesome.

The End.

Another member of the Good Taste Force.