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[Andyman Messiah]

Kreia is a very black and white villain. She has no depth. Seriosuly, where is the depth? Force is evil and must be destroyed? That's as baclk and white as it gets. Very shallow, one sided, and no moral qualms whatsoever. And, obvious. So, very, very obvious.

Of course it's obvious. Kreia was a character that I figured out almost as soon as I met her, much like I figured out that Malak was an obvious standard Bioware villain with extra dip. But a story doesn't need surprises at every turn to be good. What counts is how it is executed and whereas Malak, and honestly every other Bioware villain, wasn't worthy of lifting an eyebrow, Kreia was a good foil for the player character in that she seeks to educate and test him or her. The Force isn't evil, but realisticly speaking it would cause more bad than good in the long run and is therefore useless. As shown in all six movies, by the way.

How do you feel about, say, Irenicus, the much praised villain of Baldur's Gate 2? Does he have depth? Depending on your answer, I'm ready to smack you one.

And all 100% pointless because all your 'deep' conversations with her have zero impact on the story. All you need her for is to unlock the extra powers and ability to convert new Jedi, and ignore everything she says. KOTOR 2 dialog was LARPing at it's purest.

And isn't that grand? Thanks to her education, you learn how to educate others! Isn't that what teaching is all about? Passing on your experience and values to the young ones? It's almost like cumming in someone's mouth, and then pissing on their face when you pull your dick out.

Magical.

 

[racofer]

 

[Vibalist]

Andyman gtfo of the thread.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

My semen is purple and smells vaguely of Heineken.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

About Irenicus, I would seriously rank him lower than Malak on the villain-o-meter. His motivations are laughable, to put it simple. He was an evil elf who got himself banished because he was an evil elf and this is why he captures the bhaalspawn in an attempt to lay his hands on a great power that can help him seek revenge on the people that banished him because he was evil. That, my friend, is not a very interesting villain. I've played Final Fantasies that had better motivations than that. Revenge is a very old theme, and I'm afraid that you're just gonna have to do a lot better than "YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY WITH ME BECAUSE I WAS EVIL SO NOW I'M GOING TO KILL YOU!!" if you want to be taken seriously. Because video games are serious business. We all know that, right?

But with a character like Kreia, the fact that she works so well as a villain is the very fact that you're travelling with her and you learn what she has to say about this world. She makes arguments that, while you may not agree with them, makes sense and is backed up with facts. Surely this intellectual villain of subtlety (remember that the player character doesn't know she's going to be the final boss) beats Jon Emonicus and Darth Insert completely out of place evil laugh track here? I like to think so. I really, really do.

Horse, Irenicus wasn't the deepest character ever but this is just retarded.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

This thread has officially gone meta.