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Solik said:I'm the troll? Are we reading the same thread? People are directly insulting large numbers of people because of their tastes in entertainment, and I'm a troll for having a problem with that?
Not for having their tastes but for making idiotic claims like Oblivion is the best thing evar made.
Solik said:I will not get into a "video games are art" argument with you or anyone else. Even after all the insipid debates I've been drawn into here, that one remains beneath me. Having studied game design and read a lot on the topic, the consensus is quite clear -- video games, being objects of entertainment rather than mechanisms of self-expression, are a craft rather than an artform, with the caveat that they may at times contain some art included with them (in the form of added stories and visual artwork). I don't give a flying fuck if you agree with that or not; I'm not about to argue it.
What they claim about gameplay is just what they claim. They sound a bit pseudo-intellectual and arrognant in their claims. There are others with a long experience and curriculum who claim otherwise:
http://www.theoryoffun.com/
You should also read some of Specter interviews and other old school game designers for what they have to say about it.
You are right in one thing Oblivion isn't art. It's more like one of these endless blockbuster movies advertised with exceptional cg effects until you actualy see the movie then you quickly forget about it. If i was to give a score to Oblivion for taking the money of players who are noob to games and selling amateurish gameplay then Oblivion would deserve it's 10/10.
Oh but im having fun. Then too bad we are spoiling your illusions. We are evaluating Oblivion based on everything that was done before not just what was done 5 years ago. Being art or not Oblivion gameplay is too amateurish. These guys have learned little to nothing with the legacy of quality games that were made before them.