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People News Guido Henkel is back with a new game - Deathfire

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Wow people still talks about who's the real bad guy during the WWII :eek:.
Bro the state of RPG today is depressing enough.
And more so with Lord British's cash-grab.
Man I don't have enough willpower to talks about dark histories of the past while my personal interest is in menace.

On topic, my pessimism is greater than ever..
Threw some money on Thorvalla and BAM! it failed so miserably and make me hate myself why I trusted the guy in the first place.
Whatever he's making he should keep the awesome traveling system in RoA, but in a low fantasy world with grimdark setting.
That should spark my interest once again. But this scar won't be healed so easily. :mad:
 

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Bro the state of RPG today is depressing enough.

I think it hasn't been better in a long time, actually.

Whatever he's making he should keep the awesome traveling system in RoA, but in a low fantasy world with grimdark setting.

Totally agree about the travel system. And, he did post some time ago that he recognizes the importance of it. So Thorvalla would have had it and maybe this new project will as well.
 

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I like German WW2 movies. I thought it was interesting how the young doctrinaire Nazi(?) officer in Das Boot was portrayed as something of a goose stepper but still a basically decent individual. He even got to survive the film's ending.

Yeah but they all had to die to prove the theory that the EVIL Nazis brought this onto the poor Germans who were just doing their job. That's why the 'Nazi' had to survive, in order to see the 'error' of his ways. You won't see a German movie denouncing Bomber Harris or the general atrocities that the Germans suffered themselves primarily in the East but also elsewhere. Why not? Cause it's not politically correct! By all means it's good that the Germans show their own crimes in such movies, but it's pretty cynical to then blame them all on mythical 'Nazis' and not GERMANS. Hell even atrocities AGAINST German's are indirectly blamed on the Nazis and not the perpetrators. Remember the scene in Stalingrad when the hero answers "maybe it's what we deserve" when a comrade tells him how the Soviets take no prisoners?

It is true that a larger number of people supported the Nazis than people usually admit. And yes, the German army committed lots of atrocities by themselves. So what's your point? That the Germans do not acknowledge their role in WW2?

Germans are very well aware of what happened back then. That is also why today Germany is one of the few places where a new tyranny has practically no chance. People KNOW it happened before and they KNOW how to recognize a switch to tyranny.

You keep going on and on about the apparently evil Germans... What about the huge atrocities committed by the Americans? You know, the extermination of native Americans, the slavery, what they did in Vietnam, etc. In fact, the British were the first ones to use concentration camps in their wars in South Africa and considered white people as the master race.

Where is your condemnation of the British and American whitewashing of their history?
 

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I think it hasn't been better in a long time, actually.

Let me play the supposedly incline games before judging anything.
Unfortunately it won't happen at least until mid 2013 (Chaos Chronicles will be released around that time right, or is it Shadowrun?).
I won't be swayed by the hype, hope, and alpha videos alone.
But look at now, things never change, Garriott's cash-grabs, CDPR Skyrimclone project, etc.
Man I hope kickstarter games will deliver their promises. :(
 

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Come on guys, I thought I was entitled to a grace period of 12 full months before I had to read this GD shit :lol:
 

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Germany was the good guy in all wars that it was ever involved with. Case closed, now stop discussing WW2 and go back to Guido Henkel's game about nazis from space. Thank you.
 

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This thread rocks!! A German struggles for support in making a RPG, and quickly the discussion turns to the real issue, the question of German guilt in WWII!

Das Boot had the commander whining about the Nazis again and how they are losing the war despite the film being set in 1941 when Germany was still on the ascendancy. I would expect the bitterness and defeatism to show up in a movie set in 1943 or 1944 but not 1941.

Are you aware that Das Boot is based on a novel, which is based on real people? The movie is one of the greatest ever made, and it was very true to the novel, even if they invented some things. And it was not so far from reality, there were so many different characters, not just the ones you picked. There was for example the 1WO, a pretty accurate portrayal of the typical German who empowered the Nazis.

Stalingrad was a shit movie, and Der Untergang was embarassing to watch, so diligently deconstructing Hitler at the moment when he was nothing but a wreck, and not the charismatic person that he was in his better times. A movie dealing with Hitler when he was still functioning would have been so much more interesting and would have allowed people to actually think for themselves.

I never got why the movie was so successful, I couldn't stand it. It did not give the least insight into the question why this man could set in motion a world war, and why so many people simply gave up rational thought in his present, when he was so psychologically instable.

In last free elections Nazis got ~33% votes with a turnout of ~72%. Which means that they were elected by ~24% of Germans with voting rights. They took over, banned all other parties and started doing not so nice things to people who opposed them.

Still, I've read a diary of an anti-Nazi German soldier (who died during the war) and he still described how they (Germans) murdered and robbed their way through soviet union because they had poor logistics and had to live from the land - which meant taking away people's all means of survival and killing anyone who even annoyed them.

Thanks, I was going to mention the election results, that gives a good picture how many Germans were really in favor of Nazism, and how many were just dragged into the thing. A large part were communists and social democrats. Ironically, even Jews voted for the Nazis. Of course the population as a whole cooperated too much, did not have a firm democratic base, and it was not just Nazis who commited crimes. Blind obedience and conformism was a always a negative German streak, and the nation payed for it.
 
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Blind obedience and conformism was a always a negative German streak, and the nation payed for it.

The first part is absolutely correct, second part is not. Us Germans didn't suffer from the WWII (if you weren't jewish, communist, socialist) as much as other nations/people did. Ironically, after the lost World War both losers - Germany and Japan - flourished economically more than most of the victorious nations like the U.K. or France.
 

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Blind obedience and conformism was a always a negative German streak, and the nation payed for it.

The first part is absolutely correct, second part is not. Us Germans didn't suffer from the WWII (if you weren't jewish, communist, socialist) as much as other nations/people did. Ironically, after the lost World War both losers - Germany and Japan - flourished economically more than most of the victorious nations like the U.K. or France.

Maybe that was the plan all along. Lose the war and get shitloads of money in rebuilding-help. :troll:
 

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Congrats guys, the game has not been released yet and still the first result on Google for it is a thread about Nazism apology.:troll:
 

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No one got called a nazi yet, and if you have location as "4th reich" like JarlFrank it's no fun to do so. It's like calling an actual faggot a faggot.

But I think we all know if nazis had been in the computer age they would have made RPGs, and we'd all be playing RPGs made by nazi scientists. Commie would complain bitterly and denouce it at all times, then go home and stroke himself gently as he plays greatest RPGs ever made.
 

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Congrats guys, the game has not been released yet and still the first result on Google for it is a thread about Nazism apology.

By choosing a name like Deathfire, Henkel asked for it.
 

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Blind obedience and conformism was a always a negative German streak, and the nation payed for it.

The first part is absolutely correct, second part is not. Us Germans didn't suffer from the WWII (if you weren't jewish, communist, socialist) as much as other nations/people did. Ironically, after the lost World War both losers - Germany and Japan - flourished economically more than most of the victorious nations like the U.K. or France.

Hey, when you two psychos really put your collective minds to something, you tend to excel at it. Whether it's efficiently killings Jews/Chinese or making great cars.
 

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If it were about the black sun and vampires and werewolves and spear of destiny I'd fap so hard. Too bad that'll never happen on this gay planet.
 
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Yesterday, I've watched Hansel&Gretel (wasn't my idea to do so). A shitty movie but I actually liked parts of its production design. This movie took place in a similar setting as Brother Grimm - Germany in the 17th/18th century.

If Guido did a RoA/Darklands hybrid in this setting, I would pledge my last (euro) cents to him.
 

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