The Mass Effect 3/BioWare Thread

[Akratus]

No. Dude. Asari and Collectors. Of course you can't pick collectors, so definitely Salarians then.

 

[Xor]

I'd pick to get rid of Mass Effect 2 and 3. Give them a do-over to try telling the story again.

 

[Akratus]

Wouldn't we all. . .

 

[Gurkog]

I'd pick to kill it with fire.

Time to move on to something new.

 

[DraQ]

Showed a line-up of the series' main races, and asked fans to pick two if they had to get rid of them. Most picked Quarian and Krogan.

I would have picked humans and asari.

I would have picked asari twice.

 

[Tytus]

Showed a line-up of the series' main races, and asked fans to pick two if they had to get rid of them. Most picked Quarian and Krogan.

I would have picked humans and asari.

I would have picked asari twice.

What? No! If Asari weren't in the game how would I get Samara - my blue Asari waifu with huge boobs! If anything Bioware should start producing Asari body pillows!

 

[warpig]

Let's get rid of nerd fap-fuel so Asari and Quarians (Tali)

 

[Lhynn]

Let's get rid of nerd fap-fuel so Asari and Quarians (Tali)

something with a female voice in a suit is fap-fuel?
and how do you know anyway? unless...

 

[warpig]

Ever heard of "talimancers"? Anyway one idea about ME came to my mind, wouldn't it be cool if xenophilia in the ME universe was an exclusively human thing, and aliens would make fun of us (or be grossed out) because of that. That would be more interesting than an "everyone wants to fuck everyone" universe.

 

[Tytus]

Next Mass Effect needs to have a female Turian love interest for the male player. I mean just look at those mandibles, but getting a blowjob from one of them would be a little scary. If I can't fuck a Turian in the next one I'm not playing. I already fucked an Asari and a Quarian. The series has to innovate!

Though why the question which races would you get rid of? They don't have a large enough budget to bring everyone back or something? Maybe creating two additional faces per race is a strain on their resources

 

[Spectacle]

Talimancers are freaks, but Tali is just one member of the quarian species. The Asari on the other hand have no reason to exist other than to be a wank-fantasy for nerds. Even by space opera standards it's a ridiculous species.

 

[DraQ]

Talimancers are freaks, but Tali is just one member of the quarian species. The Asari on the other hand have no reason to exist other than to be a wank-fantasy for nerds. Even by space opera standards it's a ridiculous species.

This.
I actually considered getting ME1 back when it was relatively new (dudebro collar grabbing Shepard did a lot to dissuade me, admittedly), but then I learned about ass-ari and went:

If anything Bioware should start producing Asari body pillows!

Stuffed with explosives, yes.

 

[Space Satan]

ME series have one thing that in my eyes redeem at least part of gaider-like romanc faggotry. You can perform xenocide. Not in Warhammer 40k scale, but still you can doom entire race race to extinction, you can sell aliens to Cerberus, force aliens to be your cannon fodder, promising them lies about cure while unleasing new dose of biological weapons upon them and do stuff like that. Asari? Treat them like shit. Quarians? They are gypsies. Krogans are futuristic niggers. Salarians are fun to kill. Turians are generic militants and boring, yet you can mock them, when using your power to break the law and get away with it.

 

[Lhynn]

ME series have one thing that in my eyes redeem at least part of gaider-like romanc faggotry. You can perform xenocide. Not in Warhammer 40k scale, but still you can doom entire race race to extinction, you can sell aliens to Cerberus, force aliens to be your cannon fodder, promising them lies about cure while unleasing new dose of biological weapons upon them and do stuff like that. Asari? Treat them like shit. Quarians? They are gypsies. Krogans are futuristic niggers. Salarians are fun to kill. Turians are generic militants and boring, yet you can mock them, when using your power to break the law and get away with it.

yet its so awfully executed that its to not either fun or meaningful in any way.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

This thread is making me

Also, this game is going to suck, guaranteed.

Bioware lost it's way. They forgot how to be humble and ambitious. Since EAssimilation, they have become edgy and arrogant. This will just be another bland 3rd person shooter with inflated drama and embarrassing social commentary.

 

[eremita]

This thread is making me

Also, this game is going to suck, guaranteed.

Bioware lost it's way. They forgot how to be humble and ambitious. Since EAssimilation, they have become edgy and arrogant. This will just be another bland 3rd person shooter with inflated drama and embarrassing social commentary.

I hope it won't be just a shooter! Snice Alpha Protocol and Deus Ex, I would love to see a game with different approach options. Stealth/Shooting/Silent killing etc. But on the other hand, that collide with party based game...

 

[Caim]

This thread is making me

Also, this game is going to suck, guaranteed.

Bioware lost it's way. They forgot how to be humble and ambitious. Since EAssimilation, they have become edgy and arrogant. This will just be another bland 3rd person shooter with inflated drama and embarrassing social commentary.

I hope it won't be just a shooter! Snice Alpha Protocol and Deus Ex, I would love to see a game with different approach options. Stealth/Shooting/Silent killing etc. But on the other hand, that collide with party based game...

"I'm Commander Shepard, and I never asked for this."

 

[hiver]

ME series have one thing that in my eyes redeem at least part of gaider-like romanc faggotry. You can perform xenocide. Not in Warhammer 40k scale, but still you can doom entire race race to extinction, you can sell aliens to Cerberus, force aliens to be your cannon fodder, promising them lies about cure while unleasing new dose of biological weapons upon them and do stuff like that. Asari? Treat them like shit. Quarians? They are gypsies. Krogans are futuristic niggers. Salarians are fun to kill. Turians are generic militants and boring, yet you can mock them, when using your power to break the law and get away with it.

Arent you a happy little shit slurper rolling in it eh?

getting off on mass defect... geee... thats a new one.

 

[Angthoron]

I'm looking forward to anything BioWare is going to squeeze out. BTE rolled down into SJW derp, Bethesda is quiet and this thread is just featuring re-runs. Fresh lulz are needed.

 

[DraQ]

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/67695026365/on-game-writing-nuts-and-bolts-part-5
Horrible stuff. This is why high budgets are killing RPGs and why Bioware won't make anything good ever again.

And that's why you should always default to standard text window dialogue unless you're absolutely sure you can cinefag and VO *everything* you can possibly want for your game.

The only drawback is that it requires player to be functionally literate.

 

[Xor]

Better to aim for a limited audience willing to read than to dumb down your game for a wide release to the point where it's no longer recognizable as an RPG. Or at least that's what I'd like to believe.

 

[Akratus]

Depends on how much you like money.

 

[DraQ]

Depends on whether you'd rent your ass out for some extra money.

 

[sea]

And that's why you should always default to standard text window dialogue unless you're absolutely sure you can cinefag and VO *everything* you can possibly want for your game.

The only drawback is that it requires player to be functionally literate.

I think at this point, making the player read much more than a few lines is fundamentally incompatible with big triple-A games - not so much the budgets and sales themselves directly, but rather the entire organization behind production of such games. I can't remember the last such game that didn't have even narration for journal notes, etc. The closest thing is uh, Bethesda games, but all the dialogue is still voiced, and most of the notes etc. can be skipped by your average player.

And I think we all know that excluding the illiterate isn't possible to hit those big sales numbers - at least in the eyes of the people making the decisions for the development studio.

BioWare (as a studio, the people there are another story) doesn't want to make RPGs anymore, not really. It wants to make a particular brand of action game with a bit of customization and heavy focus on a semi-interactive storyline. You can see the legacy of real RPGs in its games but the studio is long, long done making them anymore. Those working at BioWare may want to include as much RPG in those action games as possible, but ultimately they are going to be limited by the overall vision the company has and the sales targets that EA insists on meeting.

Because modern development at a big studio is so heavily regulated, managed, and compartmentalized, with 50 different tiers of team leads, producers, management, etc. it's impossible to "just do it". Everything has to be discussed and approved for weeks at every level, all design and ideas and narrative content must be locked down months and months before work ever begins on content creation, and the bite-sized pieces of work people deal with are so tiny and insignificant that nobody but the project lead and a few other high-up team members have any say in how the game turns out. If your 10 different bosses say you have to do it, you do it, and vice-versa. And if you're a newly-hired nobody right out of a game development school, do you really think you're gonna want to rock the boat by suggesting too many new ideas or telling people theirs suck, or just keep quiet and do your job, and hope to make a good impression?

Ultimately this leads to a lack of passion and an emotional disconnect between the developers and the game they're working on, which in turn results in a lot of bland, uninteresting and uncreative games, with little personality or innovation (which traditionally in RPGs has been the result of hard-working, obsessive individuals and small teams trusted with ideas and implementation). And if a project lead either is or has to answer to a "corporate master" that ultimately decides what gets put in the game or not, well, how do you think the game is going to turn out?

 

[DalekFlay]

I'm not sure the people working there are out of synch with the corporate goal. At least not the managers. They post on their forums and answer interview questions with the same general outlook consistently: "we like RPGs but you can't make an RPG with our sales goals." Even if they're repeating the EA message like a politician does his talking points they still at least passively agree since they continue to work there when kickstarter and smaller companies have shown they could be doing other things successfully.

It's especially annoying when a lot of what they insist is required... full voice for the player character, no real choices blocking off content, cinematic cutscenes being required, etc... isn't present in games that sell much better than theirs.