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The Ellen Page Escort Simulator by Uncharted devs
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Gozma
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The ending shit was way too compressed to take it seriously. I don't care how Mengele you are, you'd let the girl wake up and do cognition tests and that kind of thing. There should have been a whole act around the SLC hospital if they wanted the child sacrifice bit to hold up instead of to be crass emotional manipulation, albeit with good and restrained acting and a subtle final note.
Please elaborate on this one. What did Matt say, that made you blessed not playing the game?
Man, you suck at this game. You killed 532 zombies? I killed maybe 20 in the whole game. I bet you play Thief with murdering everyone on the map.
Admiral jimbob
gay as all hell
uhhh dude thief's not out yet........ i think you inhaled some of the fungus from those 20 zombies if you know what i mean..... :D
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Reckon I'll chime in to get some further discussion about the game's narrative going.
I too thought that Joel was a goner when he fell off that horse. The game never lingered on any deaths up until that point, and the character switch to Ellie months later seemed to suggest that. On top of that, on going through her backpack contents, you can inspect a specific item that causes her to regret not giving it to Joel when she had the chance. So well executed.
Speaking of the hospital section, I blew the heads of the three doctors with the sawnoff shotgun before I had any idea what I was even doing. It was only after the third doctor was down that I noticed that the first doctor was armed with a tiny scalpel.The narrative just ramps up the stakes so much in that section that it was difficult to think rationally. I had resorted to stealthing my way to the operating room, and actually thought Ellie was dead because I was too slow. Then I proceeded to run to a dead end with her (then presumed lifeless) body, only to have a scene where my head blown off by a surviving soldier. The game actually faded to black and stayed that way for a few seconds and I thought that was the real ending. Would have caused a massive shitstorm that would make Mass Effect 3 envious if that were the case.
And your imagination of what happens to the characters next has a nice ring to it. I think I'll believe that that is how it all goes down.
I too thought that Joel was a goner when he fell off that horse. The game never lingered on any deaths up until that point, and the character switch to Ellie months later seemed to suggest that. On top of that, on going through her backpack contents, you can inspect a specific item that causes her to regret not giving it to Joel when she had the chance. So well executed.
Speaking of the hospital section, I blew the heads of the three doctors with the sawnoff shotgun before I had any idea what I was even doing. It was only after the third doctor was down that I noticed that the first doctor was armed with a tiny scalpel.The narrative just ramps up the stakes so much in that section that it was difficult to think rationally. I had resorted to stealthing my way to the operating room, and actually thought Ellie was dead because I was too slow. Then I proceeded to run to a dead end with her (then presumed lifeless) body, only to have a scene where my head blown off by a surviving soldier. The game actually faded to black and stayed that way for a few seconds and I thought that was the real ending. Would have caused a massive shitstorm that would make Mass Effect 3 envious if that were the case.
And your imagination of what happens to the characters next has a nice ring to it. I think I'll believe that that is how it all goes down.
I think it is not me who uses some heavy stuff.
Machocruz
Arcane
Ya' know, the thing about the reviews scores is: I dont really care about the hyperbole and ass kisssing and 10/10s and the platitudes and superlatives -I don't expect much else from man-children and fanboys. What bothers me is the shit is completely biased. Towards AAA and/or cinemajestic console games. A PC exclusive or indie game, no matter how good, never gets treated with the same soft hand. Wasteland 2 or Divinity can come out and be the best CRPG ever seen or contemplated by man in the history of electronic entertainment, completely flawless (they won't be), but you wouldn't see it in the running for GoTY...honors...from any of the mainstream rags. Because not on PSBox. Console AAA starts from 10/10 and counts down, while everything else starts from the bottom and has to earn praise.
Hell, even among console games, you won't see a mid tier budget or 'skill-based' game get any consideration. Platinum Games, or console company of your choosing, could come out with the best action game ever seen or contemplated by man, with control and responsive that put everything else to shame that has ever been made, and unparalleled depth, and it would get an 8 from most of the mainstream rags, begrudgingly. Because too hard, story didn't make them cry, not from Naughty Dog, boss fights are archaic, only bugs in Bethesduh games are acceptable, etc.
Why? I believe because A.) Today's game editors suck at games, or B.) Certain games fit with the agenda that the Industry is trying to push, which is either to sell more cinemajestic games or LARP lifestyle experiences from frustrated filmmakers or acquire validation for the hobby, and thus themselves, by being seen as legitimate 'art' on par with film.
You see it all the time, even before the games come out. Apparently the peanut gallerys has already decided that Watch Dogs, which none of them have played, is going to be in the running. Why?* Why is an unproven game a given? Why not Wasteland 2? Or Dragon's Crown? They look like they have just as much potential for excellence. Watch Dogs could be no better than Just Cause 2 or Sleeping Dogs, which were decent or good, but had no GoTY buzz.
GoTY and review scores from these fools shouldn't mean shit to a Codexer, of course. Just pointing out the real problem, in my view, with inflated review scores and built in hype.
* rhetorical questions, btw.
Hell, even among console games, you won't see a mid tier budget or 'skill-based' game get any consideration. Platinum Games, or console company of your choosing, could come out with the best action game ever seen or contemplated by man, with control and responsive that put everything else to shame that has ever been made, and unparalleled depth, and it would get an 8 from most of the mainstream rags, begrudgingly. Because too hard, story didn't make them cry, not from Naughty Dog, boss fights are archaic, only bugs in Bethesduh games are acceptable, etc.
Why? I believe because A.) Today's game editors suck at games, or B.) Certain games fit with the agenda that the Industry is trying to push, which is either to sell more cinemajestic games or LARP lifestyle experiences from frustrated filmmakers or acquire validation for the hobby, and thus themselves, by being seen as legitimate 'art' on par with film.
You see it all the time, even before the games come out. Apparently the peanut gallerys has already decided that Watch Dogs, which none of them have played, is going to be in the running. Why?* Why is an unproven game a given? Why not Wasteland 2? Or Dragon's Crown? They look like they have just as much potential for excellence. Watch Dogs could be no better than Just Cause 2 or Sleeping Dogs, which were decent or good, but had no GoTY buzz.
GoTY and review scores from these fools shouldn't mean shit to a Codexer, of course. Just pointing out the real problem, in my view, with inflated review scores and built in hype.
* rhetorical questions, btw.
I can't do anything else but agree with this 1000%. This is true, and sad. And to be honest, it is pathetic, that the game industry works this way.
Cowboy Moment
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And on a different note, since I apparently hurt the feelings of Matt and J_C with my little joke (honestly though Matt, you said SS2 was a bad game, that shit is not easily forgiven on my moral scale), there is no way to distinguish truly excellent games in this system either. For all I know, The Last of Us could be an amazing game, with great storytelling harmoniously coexisting with thematically appropriate, well-designed and fun gameplay. The mainstream gaming press could call it gaming's Citizen Kane. But so fucking what, they've already done it for Bioshock: Infinite, which was a pretentious piece of shit, and a host of other games. This is what happens when you hand out 10/10 to every second AAA console game, you run out of scale when a truly praiseworthy title appears.
potatojohn
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It's been that way for a very long time, as long as I can remember really and it's a much more general problem related to how businesses align themselves based on each other's interests and their consumers' interests.
Machocruz
Arcane
This is the other issue. Sometimes games do come out, even AAA console games, which do exceed the rest of their generation and are legitimately high quality; I thought Metroid Prime did that last generation, and it got something like 10,9,9.5 from EGM staff. But if everything is amazing, but not really, how do you distinguish from scores what is really good and worth your money/time (another rhetorical question)? I'm fucking broke right now, so that fixes the problem of whether or not I'm missing the next Metroid Prime because I can't trust reviewers to be level headed.
I think a difference between now and 10-20 years ago may be the emergence of the cinemajestic at the expense of challenge play, and the media has sided with the former. Even last generation, a Ninja Gaiden could get tons of 9+ scores and be in the running. But would even a Civ 4 level strategy game, which also received 9+s and even a few major awards I think, get above an 8 now? Or not have every flaw picked apart while the next console AAA gets a pass?
I agree. Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine (and yes, the new Thief stole this tagline) is the best game I've played this year. But beyond indie circles it gets no credit at all, as if it's good for indies but doesn't even reach the level of the worst AAA games. And it shouldn't even be included when talking about 'real' games. It's all a farce.
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I really didn't like SS2. I didn't say it to piss people off, I said it because I just can't understand the praise it continues to receive.
The rest of your post doesn't apply to me. I thought Bioshock Infinite was overrated, and largely without merit. I don't give scores to games and I don't pay much attention to reviews at all.
Gurkog
Erudite
I have to agree that SS2 was rather boring, imo. Although, that may have been because it did not scare me in the slightest, and thus was just a mediocre shooter.
New scarier version is being worked on http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/prosper-you-should-reimagine-system-shock-2.83381/
Cassidy
Arcane
Admiral jimbob
gay as all hell
let me show you fear
did you ever read that stupid manga, the enigma of the amigiaratatia fault? Where people enter holes shaped like them and get turned into twisted monsters as the passages become ever more contorted, ever more twisted, but in a way that forces them to keep going?
well there's a funnel in my ass and the entrance is you-shaped and there's nobody to hear you drrrrr
my ass is your primal fear and you will never escape it
drrr
Gurkog
Erudite
I did find Amnesia and the hotel in V:tM-B scary, oh and a good chunk of Dead Space 1 (the sequels were shit).
wergle
Educated
Maybe this game will pave the way for some post-apocalyptic games that don't involve zombies, mutants and hidden underground laboratories
Cowboy Moment
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Runciter
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I watched the youtube walkthrough and I can honestly say the game is very good. Two reasons why:
First, the consistent story, very well written characters and dialogue. For example, at first I thought pedo-cringe with that 14-year-old girl, but she really is written like a teen kid and despite not wanting to you end up accepting her and not thinking about tasteful rape. The story is like a novel, with chapters and narration focused on different characters in different places.
Second, the graphics and atmosphere. The levels in this game use indirect lighting heavily and in general the lighting seems realistic like in Crysis 1 rather than the garish impressionistic crap in many AAA titles. It doesn't overuse cheap effects like bloom and the world is full of detail, maybe except for low resolution textures. The screenshots and videos speak for themselves.
The only fault with the story is that it is very linear and a bit drawn out. In essence the whole game is about a journey, which in practice boils down to getting to a destination, then learning about the next destination and working on getting there, and so on. But the detailed levels, the changes in pace and the writing largely make up for it.
The actual gameplay is banal-shit-boring, simplistic, gamist and somewhat tedious, with artificial rules that break immersion, which in my mind clashes a bit with the atmosphere and writing, it's somewhat as if you were playing pacman with a deep story in a detailed world. It is mildly entertaining, but if you removed the writing and atmosphere it wouldn't be enough to make you want to play it.
In terms of atmosphere, graphics, attention to detail and writing this game really stands out in that I haven't played or seen anything similar, which is why it deserves a good score compared to the usual mainstream AAA titles.
Would definitely torrent and play it if it had a PC version. If it didn't have DRM then might even consider paying for it.
First, the consistent story, very well written characters and dialogue. For example, at first I thought pedo-cringe with that 14-year-old girl, but she really is written like a teen kid and despite not wanting to you end up accepting her and not thinking about tasteful rape. The story is like a novel, with chapters and narration focused on different characters in different places.
Second, the graphics and atmosphere. The levels in this game use indirect lighting heavily and in general the lighting seems realistic like in Crysis 1 rather than the garish impressionistic crap in many AAA titles. It doesn't overuse cheap effects like bloom and the world is full of detail, maybe except for low resolution textures. The screenshots and videos speak for themselves.
The only fault with the story is that it is very linear and a bit drawn out. In essence the whole game is about a journey, which in practice boils down to getting to a destination, then learning about the next destination and working on getting there, and so on. But the detailed levels, the changes in pace and the writing largely make up for it.
The actual gameplay is banal-shit-boring, simplistic, gamist and somewhat tedious, with artificial rules that break immersion, which in my mind clashes a bit with the atmosphere and writing, it's somewhat as if you were playing pacman with a deep story in a detailed world. It is mildly entertaining, but if you removed the writing and atmosphere it wouldn't be enough to make you want to play it.
In terms of atmosphere, graphics, attention to detail and writing this game really stands out in that I haven't played or seen anything similar, which is why it deserves a good score compared to the usual mainstream AAA titles.
Would definitely torrent and play it if it had a PC version. If it didn't have DRM then might even consider paying for it.
Comrade Goby
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Same youtube "played" it.
Holy fuck way too much combat.
Give more world building and character interaction you fucks.
That ending especially turned into COD
DeepOcean
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This is awesome and all but if they want to make a game with amazing writing and visuals but mediocre, simplistic gameplay, it isn't much encouraging to think that you would waste 18h in mediocre, simplistic, kinda crappy gameplay only to watch 2 hs of amazing storyline... It would better to make an Walking Dead clone and be more honest than TellTale and properly label it as an interactive movie.
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