Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Niklasgunner]

I really, really like the game so far except for the (lack of) difficulty. The setting is great and unlike PoE 1 I actually feel like I'm exploring a rich world.

 

[dragonul09]

I already pointed out that Paradox did a much better campaign for PoE than Versus Evil have for Deadfire.

I don't know if it was Paradox, but it did feel to me that especially after Katrina left, Obsidian just disappeared off the earth for a while, only re-emerging when they announced the Critical Role stuff.

They had this cool-looking game to show off, they should have made more videos and trailers of it.

Why did they pick Versus Evil? Paradox seems to be a trier above them when it comes to experience and reach. For a sequel with higher production costs, they should have went up a tier not down when changing publishers.

- Several of the allegations you have brought against Obsidian sound like the company might have been breaking the law (not upholding contracts with you, paying family members who don't really work there, putting resources Paradox intended for Tyranny towards Pillars instead). Did you ever consider taking the company to court? You wrote you'd welcome any legal fight they brought against you.

It's up to the companies and publishers who were wronged. I will say as a developer working in that environment on two projects at once made it very difficult to get work done (I was split between Eternity and Tyranny) – and the time invested wasn’t paid back, so even if you love the project you’re working on, if you don’t get the support you need, it weakens the title – and it undermines a lot of the effort you put into it. No developer likes seeing a game they care about and worked on hurt this way.

Note that I did allow Obsidian more time to address the issues. After the departure, I asked Obsidian about the finances, the market evaluation, and more, but never received an answer to the actual questions.

In an interview with RPG Codex and the associated forum thread , he made the most serious allegations against Obsidian: That Studio boss Feargus Urquhart simply deprived him of his founding rights and wanted to impose on him a contract that would have forbidden him any further work on RPGs. That the chaotic work processes in Obsidian posed one problem after another. The fact that the employees worked voluntarily without salary and the management could be persuaded only after tough struggle to pay for it in retrospect. And even without the knowledge of Publisher Paradox, the studio "disassembled" the Tyranny team to use Paradox money instead to complete Pillars of Eternity .

Chris Avellone accused Feargus of backstabing Paradox and divided the money from Tyranny to PoE, I think the relationship between Obsidian and Paradox is pretty much dead.

 

[J_C]

bombastic flop of the decade award of 2018 goes to pillars of eternal 2

Yeah, sure buddy. It is the flop of the decade.

Now that the weekend is almost over and the game still struggle to go over 20k players online, we can safely say that the game bombed harder than Bill Clinton's family reunion.

Yep. I doubt it will recover, because the ratings aren't very high either (83%). It is a shame, because they actually seemed to be moving in the right direction with this game. The blatant Sawyerism in PoE 1 seems to have killed the series.

This blatant Sawyerism was only a problem for the Codex. The first PoE was a successful game, and we don't know jack shit about the sales of PoE2.

 

[FreeKaner]

Another thing to note is Divos2 is not a direct sequel. Also direct sequels in big RPGs suck.

 

[Lacrymas]

all the infinity games have clusterfuck combat too.

Most real time rpgs are.

Not to this extent, it's really difficult at times to tell what is happening in PoE, the microsecond recovery times and Pride Parade levels of rainbow colors jizzing in your eyes don't help.

Another question - was there a point to it being a direct sequel with the same character? Does someone comment how you've changed genders and races?

 

[AN4RCHID]

People shitting on Roxor for not knowing about the combat speed dial, but that is actually a fairly important aspect of the game - the tutorials suck donkey balls. They explain some mechanics but the combat UI goes completely ignored. For someone new to the genre they'll have a very hard time (not to say impossible) figuring out what is going on. Wouldn't surprise me if people think the combat is too chaotic because a lot of them simply don't know about the slider or what the numbers/icons mean.

don't know how you would even make it through starter island without using fast mode to traverse maps. default is sooo slooow.

 

[Darth Roxor]

well so far this game is horrible only in your 'ead m8

It has RTwP. Defintely horrible.

rip

Oh please. Now you are going to pretend that you enjoy RTwP just because your giant racist ego felt insulted by my compliment? Give me a break. How about this. I will keep saying you are my hero, the paragon of tastes, and that you will obviously shit on this game. Then you make a positive review of this garbage just to piss me of, please the Obsidian fans and tarnish yourself in the process. How about that? Sounds wonderful for your imaginary reputation in the reigns of the internets. Doesn't it?

dafuk are you even on about

 

[Blakemoreland Hybrid Boss]

Chris Avellone accused Feargus of backstabing Paradox and divided the money from Tyranny to PoE, I think the relationship between Obsidian and Paradox is pretty much dead.

What I find surprising is how they always find another publisher for the next game despite inumerous fuck ups. It is all hidden under the carpet. I wonder how many studios do this shit.

tfw you're a slave to a forum goer

You are the one butthurted by my shitposting and acuse me of being angry. Then I reply with a joke and you take the bait.

 

[imweasel]

Another thing to note is Divos2 is not a direct sequel. Also direct sequels in big RPGs suck.

It depends. If you have a really good story, then keep on telling it. If not, then start anew.

 

[DeepOcean]

About the bisexual characters thing, you don't need to be an homophobe to hate that stuff, if one or another character were gay or bisexual, that would be okay, but pretty much the majority of them , that is mangling characters and turning them some kind softcore porn harem for creepy perverts out there. It just turn human sexuality on something completely unnatural too, no, someone won't have sex with you because you said some romantic platitudes about them, the fact that all those characters really don't turn you down and reject your advances or are just harem bitches obsessed into getting your favor is another proof that this is really creepy wish fulfillment pornography.

If you love that stuff, please, grow up and become a real adult, I don't feel contempt for you for being gay or bisexual but for being a non functional retarded human being.

 

[Big Wrangle]

You are the one butthurted by my shitposting and acuse me of being angry. Then I reply with a joke and you take the bait.

Learn to read usernames you dense.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Chris Avellone accused Feargus of backstabing Paradox and divided the money from Tyranny to PoE, I think the relationship between Obsidian and Paradox is pretty much dead.

Thanks, I'm just catching up with the MCA drama stuff.

 

[J_C]

About the bisexual characters thing, you don't need to be an homophobe to hate that stuff, if one or another character were gay or bisexual, that would be okay, but pretty much the majority of them , that is mangling characters and turning them some kind softcore porn harem for creepy perverts out there. It just turn human sexuality on something completely unnatural too, no, someone won't have sex with you because you said some romantic platitudes about them, the fact that all those characters really don't turn you down and reject your advances or are just harem bitches obsessed into getting your favor is another proof that this is really creepy wish fulfillment pornography.

If you love that stuff, please, grow up and become a real adult, I don't feel contempt for you for being gay or bisexual but for being a non functional retarded human being.

Did they really make most of the characters bi-sexual? Tell me this is not true!

 

[HoboForEternity]

all the infinity games have clusterfuck combat too.

Most real time rpgs are.

Not to this extent, it's really difficult at times to tell what is happening in PoE, the microsecond recovery times and Pride Parade levels of rainbow colors jizzing in your eyes don't help.

Another question - was there a point to it being a direct sequel with the same character? Does someone comment how you've changed genders and races?

going trough the game, imo it at least makes some sense because everyone batting an eye to pc because he is watcher of caed nua. If the pc is a nobody, the faction interaction would play out hell lot slower.

You come into deadfire, flag bearin the symbol of watcher, one who solved hollowborn crisis, solve the mess in white march, and everyone suddenly wants to use you to their benefit one way or another.

If you are a random castway like in risen, nobody would bat an eye to you naturally, it would play as your usual underdog into hero story, and I think what i saw i deadfire give us a good excuse of re-using the watcher as MC

 

[Parabalus]

About the bisexual characters thing, you don't need to be an homophobe to hate that stuff, if one or another character were gay or bisexual, that would be okay, but pretty much the majority of them , that is mangling characters and turning them some kind softcore porn harem for creepy perverts out there. It just turn human sexuality on something completely unnatural too, no, someone won't have sex with you because you said some romantic platitudes about them, the fact that all those characters really don't turn you down and reject your advances or are just harem bitches obsessed into getting your favor is another proof that this is really creepy wish fulfillment pornography.

If you love that stuff, please, grow up and become a real adult, I don't feel contempt for you for being gay or bisexual but for being a non functional retarded human being.

Did they really make most of the characters bi-sexual? Tell me this is not true!

Not most, ALL romanceable party members.

 

[Blakemoreland Hybrid Boss]

About the bisexual characters thing, you don't need to be an homophobe to hate that stuff.

One of my best friends is gay and I hate that stuff.

all the infinity games have clusterfuck combat too.

Most real time rpgs are.

Not to this extent, it's really difficult at times to tell what is happening in PoE, the microsecond recovery times and Pride Parade levels of rainbow colors jizzing in your eyes don't help.

It is the natural evolution of this type of combat system, don't you think? The idea is to manage a whole team simultaneously, but fast. You couldn't do that in BG without pause, so you just make things move even faster, and you pause all the same.

 

[Riddler]

About the bisexual characters thing, you don't need to be an homophobe to hate that stuff, if one or another character were gay or bisexual, that would be okay, but pretty much the majority of them , that is mangling characters and turning them some kind softcore porn harem for creepy perverts out there. It just turn human sexuality on something completely unnatural too, no, someone won't have sex with you because you said some romantic platitudes about them, the fact that all those characters really don't turn you down and reject your advances or are just harem bitches obsessed into getting your favor is another proof that this is really creepy wish fulfillment pornography.

If you love that stuff, please, grow up and become a real adult, I don't feel contempt for you for being gay or bisexual but for being a non functional retarded human being.

Did they really make most of the characters bi-sexual? Tell me this is not true!

I guess you are making fun of him but all but Eder and Pallegina are Bi.

 

[imweasel]

Did they really make most of the characters bi-sexual? Tell me this is not true!

There aren't any heterosexual companions. They are all either bisexual or asexual (most are bisexual) - an SJW's dream.

 

[Lacrymas]

You can't really win with these romances, though. Either you make one character gay/bi and be accused of tokenism and stereotyping, or you make more than 1 and be accused of "that's not how it happens irl".

 

[DeepOcean]

You can't really win with these romances, though. Either you make one character gay/bi and be accused of tokenism and stereotyping, or you make more than 1 and be accused of "that's not how it happens irl".

Or better yet, you make no romances at all, the cretin idea of turning most characters on an anime harem didn't improve the sales of the game.

 

[dragonul09]

Chris Avellone accused Feargus of backstabing Paradox and divided the money from Tyranny to PoE, I think the relationship between Obsidian and Paradox is pretty much dead.

What I find surprising is how they always find another publisher for the next game despite inumerous fuck ups. It is all hidden under the carpet. I wonder how many studios do this shit.

tfw you're a slave to a forum goer

You are the one butthurted by my shitposting and acuse me of being angry. Then I reply with a joke and you take the bait.

Yhea, I'm starting to see a trend with studios that bitch about publishers. You have Obsidian crying about publishers shutting down their shitty projects and now we find out that they are as shady as those they cry about. You have Tim schafer and his stupid ass crying about publishers not wanting to give him time or invest in his projects, makes a kickstarter, get's milions of dollars and procedes to make Broken Age, one of the most delayed, laziest, shortest, pile of crap we've seen in a long time. And who knows how many other Studios have this upitty attitude with publishers that we just don't know about.

The big bad publisher keeps us down, boo fucking hoo.

 

[J_C]

Did they really make most of the characters bi-sexual? Tell me this is not true!

There aren't any heterosexual companions. They are all either bisexual or asexual (most are bisexual) - an SJW's dream.

Jesus Christ. It's absolutely disgusting. Not the characters, I couldn't care less about gay or bi characters. The disgusting is that the writers are so lazy and/or SJW and/or bad that they can't make a stand and write a well defined character. But no, you have to cater to everyone and every player must be able to fuck everybody, because this is how real world is working. And what makes it more disgusting is that Sawyer was opposing these kind of romances, this is the reason he came up with that relationship system. Good to know they are too afraid of the Bioware crowd and they have to cater to them.

 

[FreeKaner]

It depends. If you have a really good story, then keep on telling it. If not, then start anew.

No story is good enough to tell for 200 hours.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Did they really make most of the characters bi-sexual? Tell me this is not true!

There aren't any heterosexual companions. They are all either bisexual or asexual (most are bisexual) - an SJW's dream.

Not everyone who is not interested in you is necessarily asexual You must have been watching too many late night movies

 

[SausageInYourFace]

Good to know they are too afraid of the Bioware crowd and they have to cater to them.

Actually, catering to them should make them more afraid cause it only attracts a certain audience which might lead into a spiral of retardation.