Spazmo
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Killzig said:
I think my first ever post at DAC said something like this and then Saint told me to shut the fuck up.
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I think my first ever post at DAC said something like this and then Saint told me to shut the fuck up.
Trash
Pointing and laughing.
I can't help but wonder what route bethesda is going to take with the fallout franchise. They're taking a huge risk trying their hands on an established line like this. The last few fo games sucked and weren't loved by new gen gamers and old hands alike and anything new bethesda makes will be scrutinised to death by the old fallout fanatics. If they wanted to do something postapoc they could've easily made their own gameworld (something they are good at) and leave fallout to Troika.
All this set aside, somehow I hope bethesda will keep the good dialogue trees, interesting npc's, huge gameworld that you CAN make a difference in, quests that have multiple solutions, turn based combat and end-sliders.
Some vehicle combat, loads of locales (like the buildings along the highway in halflife 2. It would be great to be able to explore the wilderness and find all sorts of shelters, bunkers, burned out buildings, camps and animal dens) and a 3d engine would be neat as well. Asking for alot? Yup, but taking on fallout ment that you would have a hard time proving yourself.
All this set aside, somehow I hope bethesda will keep the good dialogue trees, interesting npc's, huge gameworld that you CAN make a difference in, quests that have multiple solutions, turn based combat and end-sliders.
Some vehicle combat, loads of locales (like the buildings along the highway in halflife 2. It would be great to be able to explore the wilderness and find all sorts of shelters, bunkers, burned out buildings, camps and animal dens) and a 3d engine would be neat as well. Asking for alot? Yup, but taking on fallout ment that you would have a hard time proving yourself.
OH SHIT, LET THE VEHICLES FLAME WAR BEGIN!!!!
//straps on his asbestos suit
//straps on his asbestos suit
Trash
Pointing and laughing.
Heheh, whoosh.
Why not? In a land where laser rifles are toted by gang members, mutants carry plasma guns and new reno has force shields I can see some mechanic put together a simple combustion engine and mount that on an old car wreck. Shit, see Afghanistan and plenty of other poor as shit 3rd world countries that have 20-30-40 year old cars driving around on all kinds of fuel. (during ww2 there were cars in the netherlands that drove on coal and had wooden tires. Just as an example of human inventiveness)
Also the idea that it doesn't fit the setting is shite. The US is huge, if there weren't any cars in the original 2 games area's that doesn't mean that there aren't some in other regions. For all we know the game could even be set in another time (closer after the war where aome cars could still chug allong or later after the war were more old tech is back in service)
Then again, I really don't mind too much whether it will be in or not. Just been playing autoduel a bit too much lately. All I hope is that Bethesda makes a cool game.
Why not? In a land where laser rifles are toted by gang members, mutants carry plasma guns and new reno has force shields I can see some mechanic put together a simple combustion engine and mount that on an old car wreck. Shit, see Afghanistan and plenty of other poor as shit 3rd world countries that have 20-30-40 year old cars driving around on all kinds of fuel. (during ww2 there were cars in the netherlands that drove on coal and had wooden tires. Just as an example of human inventiveness)
Also the idea that it doesn't fit the setting is shite. The US is huge, if there weren't any cars in the original 2 games area's that doesn't mean that there aren't some in other regions. For all we know the game could even be set in another time (closer after the war where aome cars could still chug allong or later after the war were more old tech is back in service)
Then again, I really don't mind too much whether it will be in or not. Just been playing autoduel a bit too much lately. All I hope is that Bethesda makes a cool game.
BUT THE RUBBER WASHERS!!! THEY'rE DRIED, AND THEY'RE CRACKED!! A CAR CAN'T POSSIBLY RUN WITHOUT RUBBER!! THINK OF THE HOSES!!!
Trash
Pointing and laughing.
Fuck, I'm wasted.
*burns to a cinder*
If some snotty kid has himself a little drugslab I'm pretty sure that some warlord could find himself some rubber (or another nice substitute) Mankind has the fun tendency to be resourcefull like that.
*burns to a cinder*
If some snotty kid has himself a little drugslab I'm pretty sure that some warlord could find himself some rubber (or another nice substitute) Mankind has the fun tendency to be resourcefull like that.
But that's Fallout 2, and as we all know Fallout 2 was an abomination. I MEAN NCR HAS A CAR FLEET? NEW RENO?Trash said:
Silly MCA.
Trash
Pointing and laughing.
Nope, fo 2 was an inferior sequell to fo1 but in no way an abomination. Shit, it's still better than 90% of all pcrpgs out there. Even in fo1 there was still plenty of tech around.
Creating a simple combustion engine isn't that difficult once you know the principles. Tech books, vault computers, car wrecks, an old mechanic ghoul could all be good sources for ideas to a new generation of budding inventors. No reason why there shouldn't be any cars in the game.
Creating a simple combustion engine isn't that difficult once you know the principles. Tech books, vault computers, car wrecks, an old mechanic ghoul could all be good sources for ideas to a new generation of budding inventors. No reason why there shouldn't be any cars in the game.
Yeah.
Still, the problem is oil. There is no oil in Fallout, it's why the war started.
The Highwayman runs on fusion power, but getting it to work was a quest in itself.
Besides, I consider Fallout 2 to be way over the top and I sincerely hope bullshit like New Reno is ignored when Bethesda considers the story, setting and general atmosphere for Fallout 3.
This was a redundant message, I know. It's been repeated ad nauseam, but rarely without hautain flaming.
Still, the problem is oil. There is no oil in Fallout, it's why the war started.
The Highwayman runs on fusion power, but getting it to work was a quest in itself.
Besides, I consider Fallout 2 to be way over the top and I sincerely hope bullshit like New Reno is ignored when Bethesda considers the story, setting and general atmosphere for Fallout 3.
This was a redundant message, I know. It's been repeated ad nauseam, but rarely without hautain flaming.
Trash
Pointing and laughing.
The lack of flames turns this thread into a neat one. The fuell problem is in my opinion a moot one. Hydro cars are on the way, cars could work on sunlight or on stored electricity. If these are way too high-tech for fo (and yes, I agree they might be...though battery's shouldn't be that hard to get) there are other tried ideas to get your holy cow rolling.
Vegetable seed oil has been used to drive cars (there was a guy in the Netherlands that converted his car to run on used snackbar oil) or you can make a steam engine out of it. How about liquified gas?
Forget that lack of flames stuff, Volourn is putting his unique debating skilllllzzzz to the table. :wink:
Vegetable seed oil has been used to drive cars (there was a guy in the Netherlands that converted his car to run on used snackbar oil) or you can make a steam engine out of it. How about liquified gas?
Forget that lack of flames stuff, Volourn is putting his unique debating skilllllzzzz to the table. :wink:
Astromarine
Erudite
volourn, can you accept that your opinion that FO2 > FO1 is not incompatible with people's opinion that since it violates certain premises established in FO1 people might consider it a bad *sequel*?
Taken to the extreme, F2 might be better than BG1, but if it was sold as a sequel to BG1 fans would go "WTF??". Can you agree with that?
Taken to the extreme, F2 might be better than BG1, but if it was sold as a sequel to BG1 fans would go "WTF??". Can you agree with that?
Our universe != The Fallout Universe. Forget solar power, bio diesel, hydrogen, etc. It doesn't apply. They could always throw in a steam element to the game, IE the apoc rebooted civilization and we're now getting to the 2nd industrial revolution. At least that's the route I would have expected before the insanity that is FO2 hit the stage.Trash said:
And yeah, its an interesting point up thread/around the forum some place about BethSoft keeping their mits off of the FO license and just developing their own PA environment. BUT with all the incongruencies and sillyness brought into the universe by FO2, FOT and Fallout Fantasy there's a nice bit of wiggle room to ignore some of the stuff and remold the world some place else. Plenty of interesting, ruined, metropolitan areas that would make for a great game. Chicago, NY... I don't think anywhere outside of the US should be considered as it would lose the kitschey americana flavor that fallout has. It'll be interesting to see if they can bring something cool to the table or just give us some pitiful BOMB PLATFORM OMG MUTANTS IN SPACE type shlock.
Trash
Pointing and laughing.
I do concurr here with you, fallout should stay in the us. What made it great was that wierd campy sci-fi 50's gone apoc feel that only the us can have. Hell, I used to have a great book with lotsa wierd sci-fi pictures and drawings from the 50's. Great stuff withthe aluminium buildings, the zeppelins, the flying cars and the all american atomic families.
Somehow, if Bethesda can find that feeling/style fo3 might be a true succesor. Cars or no cars. :wink:
Somehow, if Bethesda can find that feeling/style fo3 might be a true succesor. Cars or no cars. :wink:
Volourn
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"volourn, can you accept that your opinion that FO2 > FO1 is not incompatible with people's opinion that since it violates certain premises established in FO1 people might consider it a bad *sequel*?"
Why should I 'accept' their opinion? FO2 is a fantastic sequel. Only FAKE FO fans would think otherwise. And, your exmaple of FO2 being a bad BG2 sequel is just very, very poor. I mean, that's like using Terminator 2 as a sequel to the Godfather. Whatever. FO2 gives me mostly everything FO1 did; but did it better.
"Forget that lack of flames stuff, Volourn is putting his unique debating skilllllzzzz to the table."
Ha. If I knew you were gonna point out the lack of flames in the thread; I'd have used actual tact. Meh. Damn ya!
Why should I 'accept' their opinion? FO2 is a fantastic sequel. Only FAKE FO fans would think otherwise. And, your exmaple of FO2 being a bad BG2 sequel is just very, very poor. I mean, that's like using Terminator 2 as a sequel to the Godfather. Whatever. FO2 gives me mostly everything FO1 did; but did it better.
"Forget that lack of flames stuff, Volourn is putting his unique debating skilllllzzzz to the table."
Ha. If I knew you were gonna point out the lack of flames in the thread; I'd have used actual tact. Meh. Damn ya!
It gave you everything except for a setting consistent with its prequel.
That's why Astromarine is trying to convince you of the fact that he and many others believe that Fallout 2 is not a bad game in itself, but a bad sequel.
Fallout - good game (arguable, but Astro and I believe so)
Fallout 2 - good game (arguable, but you and I believe so)
Fallout 2 after Fallout - bad sequel. (arguable, but not entirely incomparable with having FO2 follow up BG1, you just have to extrapolate all the inconsistencies)
Then again, Fallout 2 is even inconsistent with itself, which is annoying at times. Suspension of disbelief is the boon of a vivid and healthy imagination, but having parallel versions of your disbelief running through your mind while reading a book, playing a game or watching a movie is downright awkward.
That's why Astromarine is trying to convince you of the fact that he and many others believe that Fallout 2 is not a bad game in itself, but a bad sequel.
Fallout - good game (arguable, but Astro and I believe so)
Fallout 2 - good game (arguable, but you and I believe so)
Fallout 2 after Fallout - bad sequel. (arguable, but not entirely incomparable with having FO2 follow up BG1, you just have to extrapolate all the inconsistencies)
Then again, Fallout 2 is even inconsistent with itself, which is annoying at times. Suspension of disbelief is the boon of a vivid and healthy imagination, but having parallel versions of your disbelief running through your mind while reading a book, playing a game or watching a movie is downright awkward.
The pressure is fucking on, motherfuckers!Vykromond said:
oH WOW, you're actually serious. So I take it you just put the blindfold on through the temple of trials and the whole silly tribals thing? Through New Reno? And through San Francisco and the whole laughable Enclave thing too?Volourn said:
I really like a lot of the things they did with FO2 at least interface wise. How great was it to be able to push some of those useless bastards out of the way? Being able to play after completion was also HUGE. But as far as story and memorable characters go it wasn't even close. The Master > Horrigan any fucking day of the week.
Volourn
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. "So I take it you just put the blindfold on through the temple of trials and the whole silly tribals thing? Through New Reno? And through San Francisco and the whole laughable Enclave thing too?"
Didn't care for the temple, or the triabls. New Reno was/is one of the best towns in ANY RPG, and SF was dman good too.
"But as far as story and memorable characters go it wasn't even close."
This is where you prove your retardedness. The biggets problem with FO2's story is that it wa sbasically yhe same story as FO1. If you liked FO1's story you should like FO2's story. Moron.
As for characters, I'd take the President over the blob any day of the week.
Now, stop being a dumbfuck, use your brain, and realize that FO2 is superior to FO1. Then again, youa re likely one of the idiots who actually believe you can get through FO1 as a pacifist.
Tool.
Didn't care for the temple, or the triabls. New Reno was/is one of the best towns in ANY RPG, and SF was dman good too.
"But as far as story and memorable characters go it wasn't even close."
This is where you prove your retardedness. The biggets problem with FO2's story is that it wa sbasically yhe same story as FO1. If you liked FO1's story you should like FO2's story. Moron.
As for characters, I'd take the President over the blob any day of the week.
Now, stop being a dumbfuck, use your brain, and realize that FO2 is superior to FO1. Then again, youa re likely one of the idiots who actually believe you can get through FO1 as a pacifist.
Tool.
New Reno is awful, the whole basis for the city is bunk. Four casino families are some how supported by what amounts to a third world country's economy. The whole city is just a walking cliche with the depth of a wading pool. Porn, drugs and gambling ROOFLES! AWESOMEST CITY EVAR!Volourn said:
You're really good at the absurdist thing, I'll give you that much. Yes, you're correct except that the execution is completely bungled in FO2. While in FO1 you can generate a certain amount of sympathy for The Master and the whole UNITY in FO2 that feeling is lost. Instead its watered down with so many pop culture references and despicable characters that you ultimately just want to shoot anything that's moving.
Goatfucker.
You must think SNL is still hilarious. MORE COWBELL.
Not until you bend over, get fucked by a walrus and realize that you should shoot yourself before you post again as it might improve your knowledge base.
And absurd assumptions to boot. You must do this for a living, you work in marketing?
Cunt.
crpgnut
Augur
Ok turn MSFD's vehicle into a Fallout vehicle.
You get to start with this:
http://www.whyfor.com/plates/DARTH_VW.jpg
From Star Wars to Fallout 3. Can you do it?
You get to start with this:
http://www.whyfor.com/plates/DARTH_VW.jpg
From Star Wars to Fallout 3. Can you do it?
bryce777
Erudite
Obviously it would be OBLIVION with guns! Ha.
No, you'll actually play a deathclaw on rollerskates.
You know, I think I would prefer that more...can I get someone to second me?
No, you'll actually play a deathclaw on rollerskates.
You know, I think I would prefer that more...can I get someone to second me?
crpgnut
Augur
@Bryce777: I actually responded to one of your anti-Bethesda posts before I realized you were a Bethesda troll. Please forgive me. I normally just ignore trolls but didn't realize that you were one at first. I look forward to reading your non-Bethesda related posts.
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