Mass Effect 1/2: Under-rated or shit?

[Grimlorn]

You do? But it's so cliche, in a way. Praise a shit game and/or developer to high heaven and sit back and watch the shit storm. It seems so yesterday, you know? No imagination, no effort. Sad, really.

Nothing is ever good enough for a woman.

 

[Sabriana]

That's not quite true, Grimlorn. There are some prime troll-threads stickied in Retardoland.The 'You can't get through FO1 without combat' thread for example is making me laugh even thinking about it.

Many, many women have to accept the 'meh, good for what it is, and I guess it won't get any better'. That's been going on for centuries.So I guess we're looking for a little bit of class, intuition, and imagination in trolls and RPGs.

 

[RK47]

The sad part is ME was very very easy to finish without pissing off a lot of people. I'm not saying it would elevate it to a realm of Codex Classics, but it had its B-Movie charms.
All this higher level of philosophical shit don't fly when you spent most of the game laughing to inserted memes and blowing alien heads with a shotgun.

 

[DalekFlay]

In ME3 citadel is a reaper god, isn't it?

It houses their control AI I guess, from the third game. In ME1 it was a portal to bring them in from outside the galaxy, which Shepard prevented. Then they come in on their own petrol which takes however many years between ME1 and ME3 I guess. Why they're smaller and easier to kill in ME3 is anyone's guess, I suppose the one in ME1 was a daddy reaper or some stupid shit.

ME1 is the only one with a good story, ME2 and ME3 failed to capitalize either because Bioware are shit at stories or because EA rushed the sequels, your choice.

 

[Oriebam]

you can't fuck up like that just because someone rushed you, bro

has to be bioware's fault

You can't get through FO1 without combat'

fo2

 

[JarlFrank]

You do? But it's so cliche, in a way. Praise a shit game and/or developer to high heaven and sit back and watch the shit storm. It seems so yesterday, you know? No imagination, no effort. Sad, really.

Nothing is ever good enough for a Codexer.

Fixed.
Because it's true. Things being good for what they are is not fucking good enough.

 

[Papa Môlé]

You do? But it's so cliche, in a way. Praise a shit game and/or developer to high heaven and sit back and watch the shit storm. It seems so yesterday, you know? No imagination, no effort. Sad, really.

I think it's not too bad precisely because it doesn't sound particularly inflammatory or outrageous. It sounds quite sincere and almost exactly what you would hear, word for word, on an average video game forum or youtube comment. The only thing that it makes it suspect is context, that is, being posted here on RPGCodex. The troll wants us to believe that it simply stumbled on this site and made that post without happening to notice any of the content here. That's more of a meta-textual error though I think. There isn't anything in the text itself that strikes me as suspicious. If the troll managed to make a Codexer view it indirectly, by say somehow redirecting us somewhere else under some sort of pretense, it would have succeeded as the Codexer no doubt would have in that instance believed it to be real and either become further enraged or depressed at the state of modern video gaming, even if but for a moment.

 

[LizardKing]

I would say anything by Bioware is over-rated and shit.
Awesome buttons, lame romances.. *sigh*
When a game is supposed to be story-driven, the developers should at least put some thought in writing.
Sailing is not like sex.

 

[pistletoe]

I like both ME1 and ME2. Played the hell out of them. ME1 was very special for the time - a space opera RPG. But tastes change, and now it's easy for me to see the cracks, the lazy attempts at C&C in Bioware's games. The cliche writing and blatant borrowing. In the end ME1 is still a classic in my view, but a flawed one.

 

[Derpy]

Contrary to most, I found the setup in the original Mass Effect to be decent, allowing for the possibility of some really interesting developments later on in the series. I found Sovereign's dialogue enigmatic and his motives inscrutable in a way that created tension and provoked questions -- an excellent opening to what could have been a really interesting three-part tale. Under that lens, ME1 was great and opened up the possibility of future greatness for the series. Then ME2 happened...

Anyone with a discerning eye for narrative, story and lore can easily see how ME2 introduces a myriad of retcons and inconsistencies throughout not just the story, but even the game mechanics themselves (reloading weapons?). And while any sci-fi or fantasy storyline requires you to suspend your disbelief and let a few inexplicable things and plotholes slip by, ME2 was riddled with so many that it simply became impossible to ignore. While the first game felt like the story writers painstakenly took their time so their lore made sense, ME2 felt like a different set of writers got their hands on the lore and lazily created or outright changed things along the way. Overall ME2 felt like a holding pattern until ME3 could start, or just an excuse to introduce new people to the story without any regard whatsoever for the overall story arc.

 

[pistletoe]

There was a different lead writer for ME2, and it showed. Lore and consistency was no longer a priority. Bioware has no reverence for being consistent. Anymore it's just dating sim crap anyway.

 

[Volourn]

The 'dating' and 'romance' part of BIo games is less than 1% of everything. LMFAO

 

[DalekFlay]

Contrary to most, I found the setup in the original Mass Effect to be decent, allowing for the possibility of some really interesting developments later on in the series. I found Sovereign's dialogue enigmatic and his motives inscrutable in a way that created tension and provoked questions -- an excellent opening to what could have been a really interesting three-part tale. Under that lens, ME1 was great and opened up the possibility of future greatness for the series. Then ME2 happened...

I don't think that's "contrary to most" dude. Pretty much everyone says that.

 

[ohWOW]

Contrary to most, I found the setup in the original Mass Effect to be decent, allowing for the possibility of some really interesting developments later on in the series. I found Sovereign's dialogue enigmatic and his motives inscrutable in a way that created tension and provoked questions -- an excellent opening to what could have been a really interesting three-part tale. Under that lens, ME1 was great and opened up the possibility of future greatness for the series.

I agree.
I really enjoyed ME1 because of that, shitty gameplay aside.

Then ME2 happened...

I just don't know what went wrong

 

[Valestein]

I just don't know what went wrong

Them not planning jack shit and constantly revolving door of writers with their own idea of how things should go(not being all that talented to begin with didn't help either).

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

the first ass effect was crap, drowned in even more filler than dragon age and with the worst inventory interface ever. yet it was a very interesting beginning, a platform on which a decent game could be built.
of course bioware never cared to build a decent game, instead we got even more popamole.
a shame, a real shame.
well, at least we got wrex, mordin and GARRUS.

 

[ohWOW]

Man, shit, fuck, oh man.

I didn't know female sheperd's lines were so fucking retarded (male's were too, but come fucking on with her). Not to mention her voice actress.

 

[Riel]

Imo they are neither, they are just decent shooters to sink iddle time. Actually ME3 is the same, problem comes when you expect the series to actually be more than another vanal entertainment, and you actually expect something worth remembering, then it's a total failure.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

It's a brilliant trilogy.

It's coming out in trilogy form in the next couple weeks.

It's really easy to purchase, as it's all in one case.

1+1+1 = 3

And 3 = go play it, and make up your own mind.

 

[sea]

Man, shit, fuck, oh man.

I didn't know female sheperd's lines were so fucking retarded (male's were too, but come fucking on with her). Not to mention her voice actress.

Most of their lines are identical, i.e. shit. Jennifer Hale is a good actress though, in the sense that at least she can put some hints of character into Shepard, even though it's probably not in the voice directions at all. Mark Meer just speaks in a cold, emotionless monotone the entire game.

 

[Xor]

To be fair, Hale is an industry vet with something like 250 voice roles under her belt, while Meer had pretty much no work before ME1.

 

[Jaesun]

Meer did VO on Baldur's Gate (and II) IIRC

 

[Xor]

Meer did VO on Baldur's Gate (and II) IIRC

According to IMDB, he voiced Cyric. Cryic who had, what, 2 lines of spoken dialog? All his other roles before ME1 are of that caliber. Actually, seeing him show up over and over in Bioware titles tells me he's probably friends with someone higher up in the company.

 

[Gurkog]

He is the Linda Carter of Bioware?

 

[Jaesun]

Yeah, he had not done anything as substantial as Hale before ME1 but just pointing out he did do some stuff however small.

And yeah, I think he might be friends with some at Bio.... at the time. Plus he is hotter than hell. <3