jrpg fans don't understand why everyone hates them

[Emotional Vampire]

You mean the ones which were fucking identical to "past-FFVII ones" but you're too blinded by nostalgia of playing SNES in your parent's room to notice?

sniff...sniff...what's that smell? Is the gas leaking?

Me. Fortunately I didn't have a SNES

Ah, it's just butthurt.

lol, butthurt.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

With a hint of "Skyway 4 kids", too

 

[Azrael the cat]

I hate JRPGs, but I respect the way that they haven't abandoned their target market in search of selling to the FPS crowd.

That's like respecting muslims for being most rabid and traditional of all religions.

I guess so. I do, in fact, respect muslims for their having the guts and discipline to actually act in accordance with their moral principles. I guess some people can't actually get their heads around the idea of 'I don't like x, but it has some good points' - anything other than calling something completely good or completely shite/evil is a bit too complex for some brains.

Here's a hint...read the first few words of my post - you know, the bit about hating jrpgs. Then you might realise that the rest of your post was completely irrelevant. Yeah, I agree completely with your criticisms of jrpgs - I assumed that most readers would get that from 'I hate jrpgs', but I probably should have allowed for more challenged readers. The thing is, I can recognise that the guys who play Oblivion and FO3 say much of the same shite about fans of FO1 and Arcanum. And from our frustration at wrpgs trying to sell to FPS fans rather than rpg fans, I can appreciate the loyalty of jrpg manufacturers making games for jrpg fans, rather than for FPS fans.

You know, I hate mmorpgs too. Can't understand why anyone would want to play that shite. But I sympathise with the hardcore raiders who don't want rpg fans like us ruining their genre by removing the grind and the raid-focus that they love - we had our genre, and lost it, and they'd rather hang on to theirs, and get rightfully shat when people who don't actually like mmorpgs want mmorpgs to change to cater to them, rather than to the people who actually like that genre.

If wrpgs made games for people who like rpgs, just like jrpgs do for jrpg-fans, and mmorpgs do for no-life-raiding-mmorpg-fans, than the crpg industry would be in a much better state.

 

[Emotional Vampire]

In other words, you're going to completely ignore any actual arguments and of these groups might have and just go with "they both complain so they're the same" because "everything has good and bad points".

What a goddamn failure you are.

 

[Wyrmlord]

The Japanese are NOT good at dungeon crawling either. What is this nonsense about, "jRPGs may be bad at this and that, but atleast they are good dungeon crawlers"?

Combat in jRPGs lacks absolutely any variety or challenge.

 

[Damned Registrations]

The Japanese are NOT good at dungeon crawling either. What is this nonsense about, "jRPGs may be bad at this and that, but atleast they are good dungeon crawlers"?

Combat in jRPGs lacks absolutely any variety or challenge.

Oh give me a break. I could say the same about western rpgs after playing *rolls a die* Fallout 2. Every single battle is simple walking backwards while firing/punching/pissing on the enemy because the ai is retarded and willing to use all it's AP just to move into range and not attack. Theres good and shit combat in both genres, and you don't find the good without playing a lot of them. And early JRPGs are pretty much the same game as early western rpgs. Or are you going to tell me Ultima 3 isn't a complete grindfest? Oh wait, you never played that game did you?

 

[Saran]

ffVII introduced me to crpgs

yerp, sorry that im not some beardy weirdy old paedophile, i was pretty young when ff7 was released and it was the first game i played that was described as an rpg.

I bought baldurs gate a few weeks later and then fallout and blah blah blah, the rest is history.

lol, i cant wait until people come here that agree with the codex that rpgs are now shit, but were introduced to them by oblivion, your poor litle old man heart will splutter out and die

also jesus, you have the smug smilie

When did the codex get that horrible, horrible thing?

 

[Panthera]

The Japanese are NOT good at dungeon crawling either. What is this nonsense about, "jRPGs may be bad at this and that, but atleast they are good dungeon crawlers"?

Combat in jRPGs lacks absolutely any variety or challenge.

Play The Dark Spire or hell, even FFIV -not the easy mode- and then come back.

 

[Azrael the cat]

In other words, you're going to completely ignore any actual arguments and of these groups might have and just go with "they both complain so they're the same" because "everything has good and bad points".

What a goddamn failure you are.

You really can't get your head around the idea of not being a polemical git about something, can you? The idea of picking out an admirable trait about something you otherwise don't like really does your head in, doesn't it.

I say that jrpgs and mmorpgs are utterly shite, but because I note one admirable trait that I wish wrpg developers adopted, then obviously the'yre 'the same'. How fucking thick are you that you think that saying there is an admirable trait you'd like to see adopted is the same fucking thing as saying that 'everything has good and bad points'.

Oh, and don't think it's not fucking obvious that you completely failed to respond the point that I was making - that wrpg developers should make games for the wrpg market, not fucking FPS gamers. Why doesn't it surprise me that you're a fucking FO3 lover.

Seriously, fucking wow. I've never met someone as stupid as that. Even the biggest retards I've met have been able to get their heads around things like 'Einstein was a great contributor to humanity, but he was also a wife-beater', or 'I wish current socialists had Hitler's drive and ability to mobilise people'. I'm guessing that you'd interpret the latter comment as saying that 'Hitler was ok, because he had good and bad points'.

I just can't comprehend how one person could be so fucking thick. Jesus fucking christ, how do you survive at work? Or are you some unemployed little fuck, not able to get his head around the difference between discussing a trait of an object, and discussing the object as a whole. Or maybe teenage pre-employment moron, crying while you masturbate because you just don't get why the opposite sex finds you so unappealing, and because you're staring down having to live through another 70 years of failure unless you learn to cut down the wrists rather than across. I'd fail one of my students out of the uni if they spouted idiocy like that.

Here, I'll use a similar argument if it makes it easier to comprehend. I admire the fact that you bother to use punctuation in your posts. It makes them easier to read, and I wish that other posters would do the same. Now, my saying that doesn't in any way mean that I tolerate you or want you to keep posting - I'm just picking out one admirable trait from an otherwise crappy object and saying that I wish it was applied more widely.

If punctuation was as big a problem on the net as marketing to the FPS market is for rpgs, I might even go a step further, and say that this admirable use of punctuation is helping internet forums despite the poor quality of the content of your posts. That still doesn't detract from my thinking you're a douche. Similarly, I can say that the tendency of jrpgs to say 'fuck fans other genres, we're making games for people who actually like our genre' can actually provide a good influence on rpgs, even though jrpgs themselves are utterly shite.

Similarly, I could honestly say that if you were able to have a personality-swap, but retain the same punctuation - hence combining the use of punctuation with much higher-quality intellect and content, then that would result in a really good poster. See, that STILL doesn't mean that I think you're any less of a douche - it just means that you have a trait that would be beneficial if applied to a different thing. For the same reason, I can say that if a jrpg company was to take their same attitude of 'fuck the fps market, fuck the general gaming market', and hire western writers and get rid of their more inane designs, they could produce a much better wrpg than the current filth being spewed out by Bioware and Bethesda. Doesn't mean that I'm saying that jrpgs are the same as wrpgs, or that jrpgs are in any way not shite. It just means that there's an admirable trait that should be picked out and applied to a better product.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Hey Azrael

Emotional Vampire

 

[Emotional Vampire]

In other words, you're going to completely ignore any actual arguments and of these groups might have and just go with "they both complain so they're the same" because "everything has good and bad points".

What a goddamn failure you are.

You really can't get your head around the idea of not being a polemical git about something, can you? The idea of picking out an admirable trait about something you otherwise don't like really does your head in, doesn't it.

I say that jrpgs and mmorpgs are utterly shite, but because I note one admirable trait that I wish wrpg developers adopted, then obviously the'yre 'the same'. How fucking thick are you that you think that saying there is an admirable trait you'd like to see adopted is the same fucking thing as saying that 'everything has good and bad points'.

Oh, and don't think it's not fucking obvious that you completely failed to respond the point that I was making - that wrpg developers should make games for the wrpg market, not fucking FPS gamers. Why doesn't it surprise me that you're a fucking FO3 lover.

Seriously, fucking wow. I've never met someone as stupid as that. Even the biggest retards I've met have been able to get their heads around things like 'Einstein was a great contributor to humanity, but he was also a wife-beater', or 'I wish current socialists had Hitler's drive and ability to mobilise people'. I'm guessing that you'd interpret the latter comment as saying that 'Hitler was ok, because he had good and bad points'.

I just can't comprehend how one person could be so fucking thick. Jesus fucking christ, how do you survive at work? Or are you some unemployed little fuck, not able to get his head around the difference between discussing a trait of an object, and discussing the object as a whole. Or maybe teenage pre-employment moron, crying while you masturbate because you just don't get why the opposite sex finds you so unappealing, and because you're staring down having to live through another 70 years of failure unless you learn to cut down the wrists rather than across. I'd fail one of my students out of the uni if they spouted idiocy like that.

Here, I'll use a similar argument if it makes it easier to comprehend. I admire the fact that you bother to use punctuation in your posts. It makes them easier to read, and I wish that other posters would do the same. Now, my saying that doesn't in any way mean that I tolerate you or want you to keep posting - I'm just picking out one admirable trait from an otherwise crappy object and saying that I wish it was applied more widely.

If punctuation was as big a problem on the net as marketing to the FPS market is for rpgs, I might even go a step further, and say that this admirable use of punctuation is helping internet forums despite the poor quality of the content of your posts. That still doesn't detract from my thinking you're a douche. Similarly, I can say that the tendency of jrpgs to say 'fuck fans other genres, we're making games for people who actually like our genre' can actually provide a good influence on rpgs, even though jrpgs themselves are utterly shite.

Similarly, I could honestly say that if you were able to have a personality-swap, but retain the same punctuation - hence combining the use of punctuation with much higher-quality intellect and content, then that would result in a really good poster. See, that STILL doesn't mean that I think you're any less of a douche - it just means that you have a trait that would be beneficial if applied to a different thing. For the same reason, I can say that if a jrpg company was to take their same attitude of 'fuck the fps market, fuck the general gaming market', and hire western writers and get rid of their more inane designs, they could produce a much better wrpg than the current filth being spewed out by Bioware and Bethesda. Doesn't mean that I'm saying that jrpgs are the same as wrpgs, or that jrpgs are in any way not shite. It just means that there's an admirable trait that should be picked out and applied to a better product.

Holy shit, I bothered with first two paragraphs only, then I got bored. Your ability to write same shit seven times might come handy in school, but here no one gives a fuck. Especially not me.

Fuck at this point I don't even feel like digging out your first post. 'sides even if your gargantuan wall of text had any merit, you're still basing it all around the concept that jRPGs are turn based. And they're not.

So go fuck yourself with a rusty pickaxe or something.

 

[Zeus]

they haven't abandoned their target market in search of selling to the FPS crowd. They don't care what the gaming press calls 'next-gen', and I think that is part of what infuriates so many gaming journalists and western players. How dare they make Turn-based games when game journalists and marketing hype has already declared that TB games are obsolete! How dare they make games targeted to fans of their genre, rather than changing the genre to make it more appealing to people who don't like those kind of games!

QFT.

Japan embraces oldschool RPGs in a way America has long forgotten.

They still publish Dungeon Crawlers there.

They still publish Roguelikes there.

They still publish turn based -- not RTWP, but friggin' turn based -- RPGs there.

Over here? Not so much. Western gamers talk a good deal about "gay anime kids" and whatnot, but what do we have to cling on to? Memories from the 90s?

 

[Damned Registrations]

In other words, you're going to completely ignore any actual arguments and of these groups might have and just go with "they both complain so they're the same" because "everything has good and bad points".

What a goddamn failure you are.

You really can't get your head around the idea of not being a polemical git about something, can you? The idea of picking out an admirable trait about something you otherwise don't like really does your head in, doesn't it.

I say that jrpgs and mmorpgs are utterly shite, but because I note one admirable trait that I wish wrpg developers adopted, then obviously the'yre 'the same'. How fucking thick are you that you think that saying there is an admirable trait you'd like to see adopted is the same fucking thing as saying that 'everything has good and bad points'.

Oh, and don't think it's not fucking obvious that you completely failed to respond the point that I was making - that wrpg developers should make games for the wrpg market, not fucking FPS gamers. Why doesn't it surprise me that you're a fucking FO3 lover.

Seriously, fucking wow. I've never met someone as stupid as that. Even the biggest retards I've met have been able to get their heads around things like 'Einstein was a great contributor to humanity, but he was also a wife-beater', or 'I wish current socialists had Hitler's drive and ability to mobilise people'. I'm guessing that you'd interpret the latter comment as saying that 'Hitler was ok, because he had good and bad points'.

I just can't comprehend how one person could be so fucking thick. Jesus fucking christ, how do you survive at work? Or are you some unemployed little fuck, not able to get his head around the difference between discussing a trait of an object, and discussing the object as a whole. Or maybe teenage pre-employment moron, crying while you masturbate because you just don't get why the opposite sex finds you so unappealing, and because you're staring down having to live through another 70 years of failure unless you learn to cut down the wrists rather than across. I'd fail one of my students out of the uni if they spouted idiocy like that.

Here, I'll use a similar argument if it makes it easier to comprehend. I admire the fact that you bother to use punctuation in your posts. It makes them easier to read, and I wish that other posters would do the same. Now, my saying that doesn't in any way mean that I tolerate you or want you to keep posting - I'm just picking out one admirable trait from an otherwise crappy object and saying that I wish it was applied more widely.

If punctuation was as big a problem on the net as marketing to the FPS market is for rpgs, I might even go a step further, and say that this admirable use of punctuation is helping internet forums despite the poor quality of the content of your posts. That still doesn't detract from my thinking you're a douche. Similarly, I can say that the tendency of jrpgs to say 'fuck fans other genres, we're making games for people who actually like our genre' can actually provide a good influence on rpgs, even though jrpgs themselves are utterly shite.

Similarly, I could honestly say that if you were able to have a personality-swap, but retain the same punctuation - hence combining the use of punctuation with much higher-quality intellect and content, then that would result in a really good poster. See, that STILL doesn't mean that I think you're any less of a douche - it just means that you have a trait that would be beneficial if applied to a different thing. For the same reason, I can say that if a jrpg company was to take their same attitude of 'fuck the fps market, fuck the general gaming market', and hire western writers and get rid of their more inane designs, they could produce a much better wrpg than the current filth being spewed out by Bioware and Bethesda. Doesn't mean that I'm saying that jrpgs are the same as wrpgs, or that jrpgs are in any way not shite. It just means that there's an admirable trait that should be picked out and applied to a better product.

Holy shit, I bothered with first two paragraphs only, then I got bored. Your ability to write same shit seven times might come handy in school, but here no one gives a fuck. Especially not me.

Fuck at this point I don't even feel like digging out your first post. 'sides even if your gargantuan wall of text had any merit, you're still basing it all around the concept that jRPGs are turn based. And they're not.

So go fuck yourself with a rusty pickaxe or something.

This is the new shit folks. Word counts over 100 are gargantuan and unreadable. Entire genres of games can be accurately and absolutely described based on anecdotal evidence gleaned from playing 2 or 3 games by the same company.


No wonder Emo kid has such a mental breakdown over jrpgs, he probably breaks the controller in rage over all the horrible reading he has to do before he gets to play barbie with their equipment. Thank god for superior western games like Fable 2 and Fallout 3 where they got turn based action right. :!:

 

[Gerrard]

There are a lot more faggots here than you realize.

The irony.

 

[ghostdog]

Leave it to Emo Vamp if you want to read inane "edgy" bullshit.

 

[Murk]

I do so love the mindless hate for jRPGs.

As for turn based ones- how about the endless slew of tactical grid based jRPGs? Those are the good one's anyway.

 

[DriacKin]

I get the feeling that most of Codex don't really hate jRPGs because of the combat systems. If so, a game like Anachronox would be hated here. Obviously, it isn't.

Instead, most of us just hate the fucking anime bullshit that haunts just about all of those games.

 

[CrimsonAngel]

I like jrpg's, Anime, Manga and so on.
The Problem is the fucking wappanese that are a majority the fanbase. They make even you assholes of the Codex look well adjusted.

 

[AlaCarcuss]

I like jrpg's, Anime, Manga and so on.
The Problem is the fucking wappanese that are a majority the fanbase. They make even you assholes of the Codex look well adjusted.

Ha ha, well said. You nailed the whole argument in two short sentences (the last two).

 

[Talonfire]

The Problem is the fucking wappanese that are a majority the fanbase. They make even you assholes of the Codex look well adjusted.

Indeed, that's a very troubled group of individuals. It's almost sad, folks who obsess over JRPGs, anime, manga, use retarded anime smileys on the internet and dye their hair bright blue or bright pink are beyond saving.

~ Talonfire-kun ^_^

 

[deuxhero]

The only thing I had an issue with on complaining about jRPGs is that most people who complain haven't played anything beyond a Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, and thus their mocking is shallow and "Square Enix jRPGs suck" instead of "jRPGs suck".

 

[Xi]

Final Fantasy 2(US version) was good times. When you aren't jaded, and console video gaming is still somewhat new, they can provide a pretty rich experience. It's just one flavor of what it means to role-play. Of course, there are better flavors, too bad none of them have successfully been cooked.

 

[Azrael the cat]

The Problem is the fucking wappanese that are a majority the fanbase. They make even you assholes of the Codex look well adjusted.

Indeed, that's a very troubled group of individuals. It's almost sad, folks who obsess over JRPGs, anime, manga, use retarded anime smileys on the internet and dye their hair bright blue or bright pink are beyond saving.

~ Talonfire-kun ^_^

There was a show over here that did an episode intervieiwng Japanese anime fans who identify themselves as being in romantic relationships with fictional manga/anime characters. They say they have no interest in real-life people anymore, because they can't meet the standards of fictional (they never use the term 'fictional' - it's always '2-dimensional') characters. One girl was defending it by saying 'why should I be interested in meeting other people, I HAVE found someone, he's wonderful and I love him' (referring to a fictional character),

The sad thing is that once people are past the age of about 22, I've never met anyone so hideously ugly that, if they put in some effort to neaten and dress themselves AND are a decent, kind-hearted person, they can't get a good relationship. In fact, some of the fatter and uglier people I've met have been in much better relationships than the really good-looking folk, as they just assume they're not going to score anyone hot and instead commit themselves to being with someone who's a decent person. Which makes me think that the 'anime-relationship' clubs aren't so much a bunch of nerds that would be unable to get laid anyway (as there's no shortage of hot geeky types), but rather people who are genuinely fucked up and need help. Thing is, obsessiveness surrounds the anime/manga industry, and to some extent the industry even seems to promote unhealthy obsessiveness as a sales device. The legions of fanfiction, fanclubs and communities surrounding anime/manga basically serve to tell people like those in the anime-relationship clubs 'don't worry, your misearable dysfucntional life is actually healthy. You're not missing anything by never having a relationship with a real person, you know, someone who is actually interested in you as well. Don't go get help, because you're living an equally healthy and valid lifestyle'.

I know you shouldn't judge an industry by its most messed up consumers, but there does seem to be something about it which invites that stuff. The most bizarre thing is that it didn't seem to occur to any of the people interviewed that hey, they've founded ths club that's got a whole bunch of equally lonely people with the same weird fetish - why not actually use it to overcome their relationship problems and hook up with people like them - hell, go have weird anime-fetish sex. Instead, they were utterly convinced of the normality and healthiness of their lives. To me, that indicates that there's something about the subculture itself that says that overbearing obsession is ok.

 

[Ch1ef]

Oh, i looove jrpg... especially from Illusion

 

[Wyrmlord]

also jesus, you have the smug smilie

When did the codex get that horrible, horrible thing?

I once posted an image of that. The topic was on David Carradine, and I wrote:

"So it looks like...

they finally Killed Bill. "

The emoticon caught on very quickly.