Help with Blobbers

[Grauken]

Wizardry Gold.

No, that version was complete garbage

 

[V_K]

4 pages and no mention of Dragon Wars?
On the games of questionable blobber-ness I'd also recommend looking into Legacy: Realm of Terror. It's single-character but has tile-based movement.

 

[Melan]

4 pages and no mention of Dragon Wars?

A great game but not a beginner's blobber.

 

[V_K]

4 pages and no mention of Dragon Wars?

A great game but not a beginner's blobber.

It's actually debatable what would resonate with a given player. When I started gaming MM6 was all the rage, but I didn't like it all that much and am still not very fond of the whole series, finding it too simplistic. A couple of years later Wizards&Warriors came out, arguably a much less beginner-friendly game, yet I loved it.
Besides, the thread isn't exclusively about beginner-level blobbers, but also about best/most notable ones.

 

[Old Hans]

dark spire for the nintendo DS. the first 2 levels are amazing

 

[aweigh]

ItsChon

On PC:

- Elminage: Gothic (the best modern blobber ever made, I doubt this blobber will ever be surpassed any time soon).

- Wizardry Empire 2: Legacy of the Princess (download the game ISO from "the iso zone" website, and the english patch executable from "rom hacking dot net" website; and/or you can get the game pre-Patched and ready to go from the "nico blog" website as well).

- Stranger of Sword City
- Elminage: Original
- Paper Sorcerer

On Playstation 1/Emulated on PC via ePSXe or RetroArch:

- Wizardry 1, 2 and 3 on the collection game called The Lhyllgamyn Saga.
- Wizardry 4 and 5 on the collection game called New Age of Lhyllgamyn.

On SNES/Emulated on PC via Snes9x or RetroArch:

- Wizardry 6 rom, which you can find on almost any site but I like using "emu paradise".
- Wizardry Gaiden 4: Throb of the Demon's Heart, same as above ^. You'll find it pre-Patched into english most anywhere.

You can grab both PSX iso's from "the iso zone" website as well, by the way. The psx (or SNES versions if you want to graphics whore a bit) are the best versions of those early Wizardry scenarios (note that SNES only has ports of 1, 2 and 3). If you want to play Wizardry 6 I personally prefer the SNES version, but the PC version is just as good (worse graphics and music).

Once you're done with all those get back to me. And remember that a big part of the fun is in learning to make your own maps! You'll understand why after you've done a few. After doing enough of them you'll gain the magical ability (in real life) to navigate simpler dungeons without even needing to draw them; that's how intelligent blobbers make you!

EDIT: also the dark spire for nintendo DS, as mentioned by above poster, is another fantastic game.

 

[fantadomat]

For an oldfag taste go for MM World of Xeen,for nufag taste go for MM6.

Also you could try "The quest",the best new blobber. I am surprised at how many people don't know about it.

octavius how the fuck is MM6 not a blobber? The only difference between World of Xeen and MM6 is the grid system. After all,what is a Blobber?

 

[Grauken]

Quest is one char only, so at best only a honorary blobber

 

[fantadomat]

Quest is one char only, so at best only a honorary blobber

Still it is the last great blobber,haven't played anything decent since it.

Again,what is the definition of Blobber?

 

[Strange Fellow]

First person only, party based.

 

[octavius]

For an oldfag taste go for MM World of Xeen,for nufag taste go for MM6.

Also you could try "The quest",the best new blobber. I am surprised at how many people don't know about it.

octavius how the fuck is MM6 not a blobber? The only difference between World of Xeen and MM6 is the grid system. After all,what is a Blobber?

To qualify as a blobber a gamed needs:
First person view.
Party moves as a "blob".
Grid based movement.

 

[Grauken]

As much as I like grid-based movement, I think only the first two are required, W8 is still a blobber by my account

 

[octavius]

You damned casuals. You can't have fun stuff like spinners and such if you have free movement!

 

[Strange Fellow]

But in gridbased blobbers you can't have fun stuff like getting stuck on scenery and having to redo hours of progress, so there!

 

[Grauken]

That is true, but since most modern blobbers have automaps and distinct wall shapes, spinners just don't do it anymore

btw. the only game that had an automap and kept spinner, chutes and teleporters relevant was Mordor (as far as I know), as it shut off the automap the moment you fell into one of the traps, often with hilarious results (mostly death by overwhelming odds when you fell a level below), and only when you reached a portion of the game you had previously mapped did it start to work again, brilliant design, I wish more games put as much thought into their automap design

 

[Strange Fellow]

btw. the only game that had an automap and kept spinner, chutes and teleporters relevant was Mordor (as far as I know), as it shut off the automap the moment you fell into one of the traps, often with hilarious results (mostly death by overwhelming odds when you fell a level below), and only when you reached a portion of the game you had previously mapped did it start to work again, brilliant design, I wish more games put as much though into their automap design

That sounds great! Is the actual game any good?

 

[Invictus]

Dungeon Master is not available on Gog, right? What's the best way to get it now, some sort of shareware website?

Grab Return to Chaos:

http://ragingmole.com/RTC/

The download link isn’t working anymore

 

[Grauken]

@ Invictus
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AIK3rjKY0b5_ra8&id=240A1D18BAED6EC0!217&cid=240A1D18BAED6EC0

@ Strange Fellow
Mordor is good, brilliant even, but it's different from the Wizardry-type blobbers

 

[Invictus]

I have always thought that blobbers are an acquired taste, it takes a particular kind of RPG player to appreciate ita charms and put up with its old school designs and quirks

To most modern gamers the lack on an automap might be the worst deal breaker and the realtime combat kind of takes a bit to get into so I wouldn’t suggest the Eye of the Beholder or Dungeon Master games to be honest

For a fun engaging and approachable series Might and Magic fits the bill perfectly for a more mainstream gamer, specifically Isles of Terra and World of Xeen; the graphics are cartoony but still hold up tremendously well today, the combat is relatively straightforward, the puzzles are interesting and overall the games are geared to be FUN...oh and both have pretty good automap systems

If the player has a bit more knowledge of the RPG genre and a taste for stats and more challenging gameplay then Wizardry a very good option or I might even suggest jumping straight to Grimoire which is hands down the best blobber of the last 20 years

Or even holding out a couple more weeks to Bard’s Tale 4 which looks a bit simple but fun nonetheless

 

[fantadomat]

For an oldfag taste go for MM World of Xeen,for nufag taste go for MM6.

Also you could try "The quest",the best new blobber. I am surprised at how many people don't know about it.

octavius how the fuck is MM6 not a blobber? The only difference between World of Xeen and MM6 is the grid system. After all,what is a Blobber?

To qualify as a blobber a gamed needs:
First person view.
Party moves as a "blob".
Grid based movement.

Why?

 

[Strange Fellow]

^Because of spinners and such, apparently. Didn't the Codex coin the term? It makes as much sense as any other definition.

Or even holding out a couple more weeks to Bard’s Tale 4 which looks a bit simple but fun nonetheless

It might be, but it doesn't qualify as a blobber for me. Controlling characters individually on a battle grid disqualifies it.
Speaking of MM,

Reselecting all party members every time I start the game and/or die is annoying. Otherwise it is pretty gud so far.

 

[Great Deceiver]

^ Just a reminder, there's an awesome programme called Where Are We? that adds automap (with notes) and other functionalities (like a separate interface window for party status, equipment, etc.) to MM 1 (and 2-5 too, but it's mostly relevant for 1). It's really good. Grab it if you haven't.

https://www.eskimo.com/~edv/lockscroll/WhereAreWe/

 

[Strange Fellow]

^ Just a reminder, there's an awesome programme called Where Are We? that adds automap (with notes) and other functionalities (like a separate interface window for party status, equipment, etc.) to MM 1-2. It's really good. Grab it if you haven't.

That looks like it displays a whole lot of stuff I don't want to know. Still, the party info looks nice. I assume I can just cross the other ones out. Thanks!
And look, you got the InXile Enhanced Edition, too! Smoothing the letters is sure to make these games more palatable to modern audiences.

 

[Great Deceiver]

That looks like it displays a whole lot of stuff I don't want to know. Still, the party info looks nice. I assume I can just cross the other ones out. Thanks!

Yes, you can just close any window you don't want. I just linked the screencap from the developer's website.

 

[Jacob]

Also you could try "The quest",the best new blobber.

looks good.