Crispy™ Have we hit PEAK RPG?

[Zed Duke of Banville]

On the contrary, we hit rock bottom a while ago. We are getting some small inclines yearly and that is all.

Yes, CRPGs hit rock bottom in what I refer to as the Wasteland Era (no relation to the game Wasteland) of 2003-2011, when only a handful of CRPGs worth playing were released. Since then, there have been niche developers creating Incline by looking backward to classic CRPGs in order push the genre forward, though they remain a distinct minority in the genre.

Legend of Grimrock (2012)
Paper Sorceror (2013)
Legend of Grimrock II (2014)
Underrail (2015)
Age of Decadence (2015)
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (2012/2013/2016)
The Warlock of Firetop Mountain (2016)
Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar (2017)
Kingdom Come: Deliverance (2018)

 

[TemplarGR]

I am sure this has nothing to do with demographics and relative IQ differences between evolutionary population groups.

You realize this was a joke, right? I literally just said it a few posts above... Damn some people are so intend in confirming any theory...

 

[TemplarGR]

RPGS are in a better place now than they ever have been. The only reason a lot of the boomers here hate them is because they're not pretentious glorified spreadsheet simulators like in the past. Games like The Witcher 3 have really pushed the art form forward and provided an industry standard for what rpgs should be, they should feel like you're taking part in an epic hollywood movie. "b-but i don't have 3000 dialogue options!" Who the heck cares? Just face it, theres a reason hardly anyone plays the first 2 fallout games (they're boring trash).

I agree with this position but saying so on the Codex is like going into a convention of 80 year olds and telling them their time had ended. Won't end well. LOL.

Seriously though, RPG is a very broad term, there are many subgenres of RPG games. We do get plenty of good RPGs to play today, but they tend to have different negatives and show a constant progression towards becoming interactive movies and action-adventure games.

 

[Luckmann]

I am sure this has nothing to do with demographics and relative IQ differences between evolutionary population groups.

You realize this was a joke, right? I literally just said it a few posts above... Damn some people are so intend in confirming any theory...

Nothing you said is a joke, though, it's actually happening, you absolute mong. It's also impossible to tell when something you say is a joke, because everything you write is retarded.

 

[Black Angel]

Yes, CRPGs hit rock bottom in what I refer to as the Wasteland Era (no relation to the game Wasteland) of 2003-2011, when only a handful of CRPGs worth playing were released. Since then, there have been niche developers creating Incline by looking backward to classic CRPGs in order push the genre forward, though they remain a distinct minority in the genre.

Legend of Grimrock (2012)
Paper Sorceror (2013)
Legend of Grimrock II (2014)
Underrail (2015)
Age of Decadence (2015)
Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen (2012/2013/2016)
The Warlock of Firetop Mountain (2016)
Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar (2017)
Kingdom Come: Deliverance (2018)

Oh look, the guy with the avatar below

Rated this post

because he believed that if a game he's shilling on failed sales-wise, it means no more isometric crpgs for us. So any other games he's not shilling on means jackshit to him/her/it, even if those other games at least satisfied the devs sales-wise (taking scope, size of their company, their target audience etc etc into consideration, of course).

 

[TemplarGR]

Nothing you said is a joke, though, it's actually happening, you absolute mong. It's also impossible to tell when something you say is a joke, because everything you write is retarded.

Dude, what they said in that video is not happening. Let me guess, you are a Stephan Molyneux subscriber.

 

[TemplarGR]

Oh look, the guy with the avatar below

Rated this post

because he believed that if a game he's shilling on failed sales-wise, it means no more isometric crpgs for us. So any other games he's not shilling on means jackshit to him/her/it, even if those other games at least satisfied the devs sales-wise (taking scope, size of their company, their target audience etc etc into consideration, of course).

Are you fucking kidding me?

The guy listed SHIT GAMES and claimed those were incline...

1. Legend of Grimrock 1 and 2 : SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. Those weren't even proper blobers. They were realtime ffs. With a magic system that was hot garbage. They had the appearence of an 80s game without its soul. Only a fucking moron would think those 2 were incline.

2. Underrail. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously? Just because it is a clone of Fallout with 90s graphics and no soul, means that it is incline? There is a reason this game is like 70 on metacritic, and it is not because it was good.

3. Age of Decadence. Has its problems, but it is incline, will give you that

4. Dragon Dogma: The main reason for the shit rating. Seriously, any popamoler who defends this should stop posting here and just frequent the weeaboo subsection.

5. Kingdom Come Deliverance. This is not "incline". At least not by codex standards. One thing you RETARDS have to understand, is that if you want to post your shitty opinions and people to take you seriously, you need to be CONSISTENT. You people trashtalk Skyrim all day long yet you claim KCD was incline? Seriously? Like SERIOUSLY?

6. Grimoire? What is a grimoire? Is it edible?

7. Haven't played the other 2 but they are probably shit.

So there you have it, the reason for the shit rating. Those games are not incline. And i am not "shilling" for anything. I don't give a fuck about Obsidian and i trash talk New Vegas all day long. Because i find many games of Obsidian are overrated.

Just because i have eyes and can see that the PoE games were good, does not mean i am shilling you fuck.

 

[Luckmann]

Dude, what they said in that video is not happening.

A communist that is refusing to deal with factual reality. Shocker.

Let me guess, you are a Stephan Molyneux subscriber.

Never even watched or listened to a single episode or whatever, but thanks for playing.

 

[Black Angel]

Oh look, the guy with the avatar below

Rated this post

because he believed that if a game he's shilling on failed sales-wise, it means no more isometric crpgs for us. So any other games he's not shilling on means jackshit to him/her/it, even if those other games at least satisfied the devs sales-wise (taking scope, size of their company, their target audience etc etc into consideration, of course).

Are you fucking kidding me?

The guy listed SHIT GAMES and claimed those were incline...

1. Legend of Grimrock 1 and 2 : SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. Those weren't even proper blobers. They were realtime ffs. With a magic system that was hot garbage. They had the appearence of an 80s game without its soul. Only a fucking moron would think those 2 were incline.

2. Underrail. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously? Just because it is a clone of Fallout with 90s graphics and no soul, means that it is incline? There is a reason this game is like 70 on metacritic, and it is not because it was good.

3. Age of Decadence. Has its problems, but it is incline, will give you that

4. Dragon Dogma: The main reason for the shit rating. Seriously, any popamoler who defends this should stop posting here and just frequent the weeaboo subsection.

5. Kingdom Come Deliverance. This is not "incline". At least not by codex standards. One thing you RETARDS have to understand, is that if you want to post your shitty opinions and people to take you seriously, you need to be CONSISTENT. You people trashtalk Skyrim all day long yet you claim KCD was incline? Seriously? Like SERIOUSLY?

6. Grimoire? What is a grimoire? Is it edible?

7. Haven't played the other 2 but they are probably shit.

So there you have it, the reason for the shit rating. Those games are not incline. And i am not "shilling" for anything. I don't give a fuck about Obsidian and i trash talk New Vegas all day long. Because i find many games of Obsidian are overrated.

Just because i have eyes and can see that the PoE games were good, does not mean i am shilling you fuck.

Well, will you look at that


I see that there's seems not enough reason to tag you with

(yet), I'm satisfied you're marked with

but looking at the way you make the post I quoted, I hereby petition to tag you with

 

[Vlajdermen]

My big question for RPGs as a genre, is how to improve on the non-combat experience?

Simple. Just have environments you'd want to explore.

Spoiler

Just look at how Slavia does it.

 

[Lilura]

Well, will you look at that


I see that there's seems not enough reason to tag you with

(yet), I'm satisfied you're marked with

but looking at the way you make the post I quoted, I hereby petition to tag you with

Indeed. But I don't think any current tag would suffice for this peculiar specimen.

In fact, I don't think this thing is even of zoological stock, which is why I haven't drawn upon my usual insults of "ape", "mutt" or even "low worm."

The stench of its shitposting points to some kind of odious fungus, slime or bacteria. Any microbiologists on the 'Dex?

Then, perhaps we can come up with a suitable tag.

 

[TemplarGR]

Indeed. But I don't think any current tag would suffice for this peculiar specimen.

In fact, I don't think this thing is even of zoological stock, which is why I haven't drawn upon my usual insults of "ape", "mutt" or even "low worm."

The stench of its shitposting points to some kind of odious fungus, slime or bacteria. Any microbiologists on the 'Dex?

Then, perhaps we can come up with a suitable tag.

Doesn't matter what label you butthurt people use. You can't silence the truth.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Oh look, the guy with the avatar below

Rated this post

because he believed that if a game he's shilling on failed sales-wise, it means no more isometric crpgs for us. So any other games he's not shilling on means jackshit to him/her/it, even if those other games at least satisfied the devs sales-wise (taking scope, size of their company, their target audience etc etc into consideration, of course).

Are you fucking kidding me?

The guy listed SHIT GAMES and claimed those were incline...

1. Legend of Grimrock 1 and 2 : SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. Those weren't even proper blobers. They were realtime ffs. With a magic system that was hot garbage. They had the appearence of an 80s game without its soul. Only a fucking moron would think those 2 were incline.

Dude, do you even Dungeon Master?

2. Underrail. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously? Just because it is a clone of Fallout with 90s graphics and no soul, means that it is incline? There is a reason this game is like 70 on metacritic, and it is not because it was good.

That is just low quality bait.

3. Age of Decadence. Has its problems, but it is incline, will give you that

At least you had enough decency to acknowledge that AoD is pretty fucking good.

 

[Theldaran]

So... Are you meaning that the small incline we've received recently is just self-deception? Figures...

I also "tried" Grimrock and found it disappointing.

Still RPGs thrive commercially, even in their hideous AAA form, if that's your thing. Keep your Fallout 76, and give me Stygian and Druidstone. You even have halfway works like Greedfall.

 

[Riddler]

Nobody reads your fucking blog.

You sound butthurt that thousands of people read what I write every day.

see, NOW we've hit peak autism

No, this was peak autism: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/x8F...lessons-learned-from-irrational-adventures-in

 

[frajaq]

Disco Elysium is yet to be released so no

 

[Tito Anic]

Doesn't matter what label you butthurt people use. You can't silence the shitposting.

fixed

 

[moon knight]

Fallout 2 is peak RPG.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

Best crpg in a while? Maybe.

 

[Doktor Best]

There is no peak, it just keeps climbing. We're in an age where great RPGs come out and we can still play the ancient classics and enjoy them, some of them even getting remakes or updates now 20 years later. The incline is real and we're living in it. Golden Age that just keeps getting better.

This is pretty much it. Even if theres only one decent rpg coming out per year, it would mean the number of decent rpgs rises by one each year, eg increases. Therefor incline is infinite, whereas decline is only temporary.

 

[Sacred82]

what with Kingmaker, Grimoire, Bard's Tale IV, Pillars 2, Might & Magic X, and maybe Dungeons of Aledorn soon, on top of old stuff like the IE games and Jagged Alliance 2, I think the RPG genre can now just fold in on itself.

You had a good run, it's only going downhill from here. Good night sweet prince.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

No rest 'till UR:Expedition/Colony Ship

2. Underrail. no soul

It takes one to recognize one.

 

[Lilura]

There is no peak, it just keeps climbing. We're in an age where great RPGs come out and we can still play the ancient classics and enjoy them, some of them even getting remakes or updates now 20 years later. The incline is real and we're living in it. Golden Age that just keeps getting better.

This is pretty much it. Even if theres only one decent rpg coming out per year, it would mean the number of decent rpgs rises by one each year, eg increases. Therefore incline is infinite, whereas decline is only temporary.

That's not how this shit works, I'm afraid.

When someone like fluent discovers Fallout for the first time - 21 years after it came out - that isn't indicative of current gen incline. Fallout is representative of Renaissance era incline, not the current gen. Current gen "gamers" (if you want to call them that) are just parasites feeding off the Renaissance, and trying to ascribe those games to their era and themselves, in a sad attempt to make themselves feel better about the dire situation in which they find themselves (the current gen).

When Beamdog remake or update BG, IWD and PS:T, that isn't incline. Again, that's going parasitical on the Renaissance era.

Then they try and sell you stuff like this. That's your current industry in a nutshell.

When Kickstarter after Kickstarter cite Renaissance RPGs as their influence in their pitch to the public, again, this is just parasitism of the Renaissance.

In short, stop telling yourself lies. Your widescreen mods and emulators are not indicative of incline. The fact that you are playing Renaissance RPGs just shows how much your current gen era sucks ass and swallows, and is symptomatic of decline - abyssal decline.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

That's not how this shit works, I'm afraid.

When someone like fluent discovers Fallout for the first time - 21 years after it came out - that isn't indicative of current gen incline. Fallout is representative of Renaissance era incline, not the current gen. Current gen "gamers" (if you want to call them that) are just parasites feeding off the Renaissance, and trying to ascribe those games to their era and themselves, in a sad attempt to make themselves feel better about the dire situation in which they find themselves (the current gen).

When Beamdog remake or update BG, IWD and PS:T, that isn't incline. Again, that's going parasitical on the Renaissance era.

Then they try and sell you stuff like this. That's your current industry in a nutshell.

When Kickstarter after Kickstarter cite Renaissance RPGs as their influence in their pitch to the public, again, this is just parasitism of the Renaissance.

In short, stop telling yourself lies. Your widescreen mods and emulators are not indicative of incline. The fact that you are playing Renaissance RPGs just shows how much your current gen era sucks ass and swallows, and is symptomatic of decline - abyssal decline.

In my opinion, anyone, whether young or old being exposed and discovering Renaissance Era RPGs is incline in itself. It means that we have the means and technology to still enjoy these games and the possibility of newcomers (like myself) to explore them and discover them for the first time. Had we not had Steam, GOG, etc., it would have been harder to do that, so all this together equals incline.

I don't pay attention to what most AAA devs are doing. We're in an era where AA devs are thriving and making niche RPGs, and indie devs and 1 and 2 person teams are making niche RPGs too. You call it parasitism but it's bringing us new good RPGs to play. I just can't be that cynical about it when I literally have 200+ quality RPGs sitting in my Steam and GOG library right now. It's definitely been an incline period for me, after first playing Gothic 1 in 2013 or so, then Baldur's Gate and more that I missed out on as a kid. That's a pretty cool thing and I know I'm not the only one doing it, as I have a friend that also discovers these RPGs for the first time and he's younger than I am.

Emulators, widescreen mods, unofficial patches, Steam workshop, mods and more are incline to me. We can't have the Renaissance Era back so why look to the past and be upset about it? Enjoy what we have now and continue to get from devs. There's a few games like Underrail, Age of Decadence, Kingmaker and more that would have been classics if released in the past as well. I can't see that as anything but pure incline (and continuing in that direction). Even if AA devs start putting out worse RPGs, new devs will move in to give the niche audience what they want. We literally can't lose at this point.

 

[the_shadow]

That's not how this shit works, I'm afraid.

When someone like fluent discovers Fallout for the first time - 21 years after it came out - that isn't indicative of current gen incline. Fallout is representative of Renaissance era incline, not the current gen. Current gen "gamers" (if you want to call them that) are just parasites feeding off the Renaissance, and trying to ascribe those games to their era and themselves, in a sad attempt to make themselves feel better about the dire situation in which they find themselves (the current gen).

When Beamdog remake or update BG, IWD and PS:T, that isn't incline. Again, that's going parasitical on the Renaissance era.

Then they try and sell you stuff like this. That's your current industry in a nutshell.

When Kickstarter after Kickstarter cite Renaissance RPGs as their influence in their pitch to the public, again, this is just parasitism of the Renaissance.

In short, stop telling yourself lies. Your widescreen mods and emulators are not indicative of incline. The fact that you are playing Renaissance RPGs just shows how much your current gen era sucks ass and swallows, and is symptomatic of decline - abyssal decline.

In my opinion, anyone, whether young or old being exposed and discovering Renaissance Era RPGs is incline in itself. It means that we have the means and technology to still enjoy these games and the possibility of newcomers (like myself) to explore them and discover them for the first time. Had we not had Steam, GOG, etc., it would have been harder to do that, so all this together equals incline.

I don't pay attention to what most AAA devs are doing. We're in an era where AA devs are thriving and making niche RPGs, and indie devs and 1 and 2 person teams are making niche RPGs too. You call it parasitism but it's bringing us new good RPGs to play. I just can't be that cynical about it when I literally have 200+ quality RPGs sitting in my Steam and GOG library right now. It's definitely been an incline period for me, after first playing Gothic 1 in 2013 or so, then Baldur's Gate and more that I missed out on as a kid. That's a pretty cool thing and I know I'm not the only one doing it, as I have a friend that also discovers these RPGs for the first time and he's younger than I am.

Emulators, widescreen mods, unofficial patches, Steam workshop, mods and more are incline to me. We can't have the Renaissance Era back so why look to the past and be upset about it? Enjoy what we have now and continue to get from devs. There's a few games like Underrail, Age of Decadence, Kingmaker and more that would have been classics if released in the past as well. I can't see that as anything but pure incline (and continuing in that direction). Even if AA devs start putting out worse RPGs, new devs will move in to give the niche audience what they want. We literally can't lose at this point.

Yeah, and garbage games have been present in every era of gaming anyway, it's just our memory is rather selective and we block them out. Also, some of the older gamers forget that games are actually way cheaper today compared with what you got back in the early 1990's, probably because they were kids at the time and didn't actually have to pay for stuff. For example, an episode of the Commander Keen 5 or 6 by ID software (the AAA devs of the day) was about US$30 in 1990, which is about $58 today, and that was for a side-scroller you could blow through in a few hours. Doom and Heretic were about $40 in 1994, which is about $68 today.