Dragon Age Content Withheld From Vanilla Copy, Sold as DLC

[Shannow]

The DLC thing is good in theory,

It is?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE FINGERLESS GLOVES BAAAAAAAAAAAWWW

NO ONE CARES ABOUT ROLEPLAYING YOUR CHARACTER ANYMORE

 

[Suchy]

Typical DA fanboy in the hands of Bioware
http://www.dula.tv/blog/wp-content/uplo ... tf-gif.gif

 

[Armacalypse]

At least DLC like that in GTA 4 proofs that it's not necessarily a flawed concept. Only that greedy suits will go to any lenght for a buck.

Actually, GTA 4 is a good example of what DLCs might do to a game. What was everyone complaining about when GTA 4 came out? They wanted more San Andreas craziness, and less NIKO MAH CASSIN phone calls. Now, the latest DLC comes with parachutes and an automatic shotgun using explosive ammo, which people praise almost as if they took as much effort and money to make as the extra cutscenes.

Both DLC's for GTA 4 are like expansions with new characters, storylines and missions. It's not just a few new weapons.

But would the DLCs sell as well if those weapons had been in the game from the beginning? I'm not really accusing Rockstar for doing this on purpose, the decision to have less weapons and stuff GTA 4 could just be have been flawed without being intended to be. That doesn't mean other companies won't use a tactic like that though, since the "few new weapons" work so well as a selling point.

 

[racofer]

Typical DA fanboy in the hands of Bioware
http://www.dula.tv/blog/wp-content/uplo ... tf-gif.gif

What the fuck is that shit?!!

 

[Trash]

But would the DLCs sell as well if those weapons had been in the game from the beginning? I'm not really accusing Rockstar for doing this on purpose, the decision to have less weapons and stuff GTA 4 could just be have been flawed without being intended to be. That doesn't mean other companies won't use a tactic like that though, since the "few new weapons" work so well as a selling point.

Who knows? Point is that they didn't just add a few guns but a shitload of content that complements a new storyline. They actually made and sold the DLC's in the same way that expansions are being sold. Are expansions a bad thing?

 

[Rhalle]

To me the real problem is that stuff made in parallel does not participate in the whole arc of the creative process.

Expansions do; that's why they are called expansions: not because thy add more 'content' (whatever the fuck that means, exactly); but because they exist fundamentally to improve the creative product.

 

[Trash]

Exactly. DLC has the potential to bring a lot of good stuff. Problem however is that it's also a medium which is perfect to use as a milk cow by greedy bastards. Something which more often than not seems to be the case. Dragon Age being a perfect example.

 

[Shannow]

Are expansions [DLC] a bad thing?

Of course they can be. It simply depends in what intention and under what circumstances they are made.
Is it some indie studio scrapping some content to even get the game out and onto shelves. Then after the game was moderately successful they decide the can risk re-working the cut and additional content into an expansion pack.

or

Is it some AAA studio that can be quite sure that their game will be successful and know that they'll get additional sales out of an expansion pack. Simply cutting the storyline short and bringing out an expansion pack that was basically finished with the vanilla game.

Saying you will bring out your game as a trilogy, have an expansion/DLC planned before the release date of the vanilla game will always fall into the second category. It will always be a means to sell your game at a higher price/ to sell a product you yourself don't claim to be finished.

 

[CrimsonAngel]

You know what i was going to buy DA, but you know what FUCK THEM.

I don't mind DLC, but zero day DLC is pushing things to far.

 

[Mackerel]

Why is this surprising? It's beholden on them to make the maximum profits possible for the shareholders according to systems put in place since before any of us were born. Pirating the game and any DLC that comes out is the best option to show disdain for such methods.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Typical DA fanboy in the hands of Bioware
http://www.dula.tv/blog/wp-content/uplo ... tf-gif.gif

I feel dirty

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

What the fuck is that anyway? Hells, it's like something that came out of the zone.

 

[Forest Dweller]

You know it's truly hardcore when even racofer is disturbed by it.

 

[BlitzKitchen]

holy shit. that gif. WTF

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Funny to see the Codex crying about a game they aren't going to buy anyway.

 

[Overweight Manatee]

I foresee increased business at the pirate bay.

 

[racofer]

You know it's truly hardcore when even racofer is disturbed by it.

I'm not disturbed, that made me lol and I would like to know what that is.

 

[King Crispy]

Funny to see the Codex crying about a game they aren't going to buy anyway.

 

[Warden]

It's a forum; people discuss all kinds of things. Even things they're not going to buy... maybe.

The thing is Codex people should spread their holy marketing campaign against bioware on other forums as well. Keeping it concentrated here is not so fruitful.

Spread the word! Spread the word!

 

[aries202]

Nothing was cut from the game; the dlc Warden's Keep is a new add-on (or add-in) to the game; Warden's Keep as a DLC is not required to finish the game, just like Watcher's Keep wasn't required to finish BG2. It is an in-game add-in (or add-on?) to the game for which you will have to pay 7 US dollars (unless you get the digital deluxe edition where Warden's Keep is free).

Warden's Keep, the DLC, have been developed by a team solely dedicated to making dlc for this game, DA: Origins. What you should be worried about is Bioware's plan to include advertising for dlc into the game itself and the plans they have to let user created content for the permeate into the console versions...

edit:

Some of you here at the codex seem to think that games still should be made like they were 8 or 10 years ago; apparently you don't seem to realize that the conditions for how games are made, published and marketed are different today than they were 10 years or so. You need of course to make a very good (and great!) main game, then you'll need to look for to make additionel income, DLC that you pay for is one those methods. And if you don't like it or want it, you don't have to pay for it :!:

edited because I really need to calm down before posting...

 

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[Zeus]

Cutting unfinished content before deadline is the norm. Cutting finished content just to sell it separately is not.

Your utter conviction that the content was finished before it was cut reminds me of when people were insisting that GOG sold Realms of Arkania without giving any money to the original developers.

No one had any proof, but some people GRRR HATE PAYING DIGITAL CONTENT, so they claimed with utter authority that they might as well pirate because the Realms of Arkania devs were getting shafted.

Of course, nobody knew what the hell they were talking about, and it was quickly revealed that Software GmbH WAS getting a cut.

So much for GRRR HATE PAYING DIGITAL CONTENT.

 

[Darth Roxor]

I'm sure that aries202 is an undercover Bioware spokesman.

 

[TrustNo1]

Warden's Keep, the DLC, have been developed by a team solely dedicated to making dlc for this game, DA: Origins.

Resources they could have used on the actual game.