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Now I have to scroll to read every line, you dipshit.jefklak said:Please reconsider on behalf of this gem
Now I have to scroll to read every line, you dipshit.jefklak said:Please reconsider on behalf of this gem
Mikail said:Now I have to scroll to read every line, you dipshit.jefklak said:Please reconsider on behalf of this gem
I doubt anyone expects they will. The words aren't small enough, the sentences are too long and the font is way too small.Bradylama said:I didn't post this at ESF.
I like the mod reaction, though:
3. I'm not reading all of that.
Then turn of images in your browser, you whiny little twit. You request a new background colour in the forum css-sheet, get your wish granted, and then proceed to whine about image sizes? Does not fucking compute.Mikail said:Now I have to scroll to read every line, you dipshit.jefklak said:Please reconsider on behalf of this gem
Hm, I don't quite see the problem. If you clearly state that this is a revised version you should do quite fine. Every written piece needs some severe editing, see the "Seeking cynical critical barstards"-thread for reference. I really think it needs it, and seeing how much time you probably put into it, it probably be fair to your self too.Bradylama said:Good points all, galsiah, but the piece is already out there. There'd be little point in revising it, as this isn't a part of a concerted effort.
Dark Helmet said:Heh, someone made a thread "Don't Buy the Hype", Did anyone read it?, but it was locked, again.
I think it'd be more effective if it was shorter (easier on the PowerPoint generation), more concise, and less obvious about being anti-Bethesda.
Biggest load of BS I've ever had the pleasure of half reading.
Therefore it was deleted.
This could explain much, actually. I lurked TESF prior to the release of Morrowind. It was an entirely different community back then, more NMA or Obsidian forums-like After Morrowind was released I left, and never looked back.GhanBuriGhan said:- You don't know TES or it's community well if you claim that they do not listen to fans. Interaction was pretty good throughout the development of Morrowind and still better than many other games during development of Oblivion. In part the problems in Oblivion are results of listening to fans too much, especially the new wave that came with MW and had other ideas for the future than me (or probably most of the Codex).
They have summer, what more can you ask?GhanBuriGhan said:A community manager is long overdue, and such concepts have worked well, e.g. for Gothic. The one on one interaction can't work anymore when one developer is facing 5000 forum posters.
I don't now if this is accurate or not, but a better example in any case is that they did, and still do, allow for links to other boards who post the occasional shock link.GhanBuriGhan said:- while occasional attempts at porn or shock posting were indeed made on Bethesdas forum too, they have always been consistently policed, there (even leading to the closure of the off topic forum for a considerable time). That argument therefore doesn't catch. I agree that the ban is ludicrous, but it's still more than half your fault.
If what you say here were accurate, they surely would have come back and posted that last "fuck you all, I'm leaving"-post, right? You don't stay active on a board for two years, have a post count of 700, and suddenly sinks in to the ocean. Sure it happens, Saint and Fez was MIA for a couple of months/years respectively. But when this happens to two posters at the same time, and they both happen to work for a company that seemingly just banned all mention of the same site on their official boards. I mean, come on! You don't have to be sheek to derive some serious conspiracy theories from that.GhanBuriGhan said:Related to that, considering what Kathode and MSFD were exposed to here, it was a miracle that they posted here as long as they did. There was and is a persistant ill will to bethesda, here that claims to be objective, but has almost religious overtones.
I don't get this constant fear of Rosh and NMA (by this I don't mean just you, GBG), I've lurked DAC and NMA both allmost from the start, and The Codex two years from the beginning. In my opinion both DAC and The Codex have a much higher threshold for delurking. (Still The Codex ended up being the only forum I decided to partake in, but that's beacuse of the far lower retard ratio).GhanBuriGhan said:- As long as NMA was the lair of Rosh, you needn't be surprised that people are scared away.
Good point, and I really hope you'll rise to the same geekdom level as Bradylama. I'd love to see the same type of article, only written from your point of view.GhanBuriGhan said:- Wether we like it or not, the alienated fans are probably more than made up by new fans. The message to bethesda needs to be that they can dare more on the hardcore side without loosing the market. Shitting all over Bethesda, bacause you decide to feel shat on is having exactly one effect - making it almost certain that you will be ignored. Who want to discuss with people that write something like this piece about you, in public, no less?
redding is teh hards!!!11DarkUnderlord said:I doubt anyone expects they will. The words aren't small enough, the sentences are too long and the font is way too small.Bradylama said:I didn't post this at ESF.
I like the mod reaction, though:
3. I'm not reading all of that.
Maybe. But this is the only place that virginous old me has ever encountered tubgirl. Anyway, I am not in favor of this policy, and I have said so on the TESF, but the codex isn't the holy grail of discussion culture either, and shares some of the blame, IMHO.Dementia Praecox said:I don't now if this is accurate or not, but a better example in any case is that they did, and still do, allow for links to other boards who post the occasional shock link.
Well, all I can say is that I got the impression, when I talked to MSFD afterwards via the TES boards, that it was certainly his own intention not to post here anymore, and I got the impression that he felt genuinely insulted on a personal and professional level. You don't need a conspiracy theory. These guys work together. Maybe they talked about it over a lunchbreak and decided they had enough. Maybe it was discussed togehter with the project management and they decided that this is how they are going to handle it. Who knows! The version I am not buying is that evil Todd decided this and handed out a gag order against the will of those that posted here.If what you say here were accurate, they surely would have come back and posted that last "fuck you all, I'm leaving"-post, right? You don't stay active on a board for two years, have a post count of 700, and suddenly sinks in to the ocean. Sure it happens, Saint and Fez was MIA for a couple of months/years respectively. But when this happens to two posters at the same time, and they both happen to work for a company that seemingly just banned all mention of the same site on their official boards. I mean, come on! You don't have to be sheek to derive some serious conspiracy theories from that.
I have simply never read threads that made me more angry than those with his involvement (mostly in the FO3 discussions). And even worse was the giggling crowd of other members enjoying the carnage. It was reading these threads that cemented my impression of an exceptionally hostile community.I don't get this constant fear of Rosh and NMA (by this I don't mean just you, GBG), I've lurked DAC and NMA both allmost from the start, and The Codex two years from the beginning. In my opinion both DAC and The Codex have a much higher threshold for delurking. (Still The Codex ended up being the only forum I decided to partake in, but that's beacuse of the far lower retard ratio).
Bradylama said:Oblivion
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The most telling sign of the loss of depth in Oblivion...
More significant was the complete loss...
Curiouser was the lack of any significant impact...
Perhaps the greatest flaw of all was...
Bradylama said:Pete Hines: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. For a couple of reasons. Number one is that we're treating it as if we made the first two, with the same care and attention we give to The Elder Scrolls, but the truth of the matter is that we haven't. As a result there's probably a lot more divergent opinion about what it should be, what we should do, are we the right guys to do it, and so on.[33]
Remember how they treated The Elder Scrolls?
It's also interesting to note that he says that they've treated Fallout 3 like the first two games, while then saying that they actually haven't, making the entire exchange completely meaningless.
Did you add that last "s" to avoid paying royalties to Kingcomrade?OccupatedVoid said:redding is teh hards!!!11
Hm, fair enough. But still, I keep getting that nagging feeling that if this was the case, at least MSFD would have come back, now that things have settled somewhat.GhanBuriGhan said:Well, all I can say is that I got the impression, when I talked to MSFD afterwards via the TES boards, that it was certainly his own intention not to post here anymore, and I got the impression that he felt genuinely insulted on a personal and professional level. You don't need a conspiracy theory. These guys work together. Maybe they talked about it over a lunchbreak and decided they had enough. Maybe it was discussed togehter with the project management and they decided that this is how they are going to handle it. Who knows!
This I can understand.GhanBuriGhan said:I have simply never read threads that made me more angry than those with his involvement (mostly in the FO3 discussions). And even worse was the giggling crowd of other members enjoying the carnage. It was reading these threads that cemented my impression of an exceptionally hostile community.
Uh, was this directed at me?dagorkan said:Fuck Bethesda but fuck NMA too. Criticizing TESF shouldn't in any way mean you validate Rosh's opinions or have to become a Rosh groupie. DaC I don't know well enough to say. They are pretty rabid as well but seem slightly more chilled out than the other fanboys.
Just asking. Your post followed mine and covered what I talked about, and I even mentioned your nick in there somwhere. It's not allways easy to understand what goes on in a dumbfucks mind. Which reminds me, what the hell were you rambeling about?dagorkan said:No. Why would it be? Everything does not revolve around you.
He didn't even post on the TESF for a long time. Recently he has been posting again, do a search.Dementia Praecox said:Hm, fair enough. But still, I keep getting that nagging feeling that if this was the case, at least MSFD would have come back, now that things have settled somewhat.
Nah, not even closeBut here on The Codex, most of giggling crowd is like Rosh.
dagorkan said:Criticizing TESF shouldn't in any way mean you validate Rosh's opinions or have to become a Rosh groupie.
- I am not a native speaker, but "curiouser" isn't a word, right?.
Don't mind him. He is a dumbfuck trying to run from his tag.Kharn said:...dagorkan said:Criticizing TESF shouldn't in any way mean you validate Rosh's opinions or have to become a Rosh groupie.
You don't pay much attention to what's going on, do you?
Should be "Curiouser and more curious!".GhanBuriGhan said:“Curiouser and curiouser!â€
I have simply never read threads that made me more angry than those with his involvement (mostly in the FO3 discussions). And even worse was the giggling crowd of other members enjoying the carnage. It was reading these threads that cemented my impression of an exceptionally hostile community.