Deus Ex Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Pre-Release Thread

[tuluse]

While the endings of HR were incredibly stupid, I don't think in general it's writing compared to DX1 was lacking subtly. The way they introduced an information shaping AI was actually much better for example.

 

[Infinitron]

The writing was dumb and preachy and predictable, some of the dialog was awful, and Eidos Montreal made it clear that they didn't get Deus Ex. They didn't understand that the game wasn't about augmentations, it was about the conspiracy

Problem is, how do you do the conspiracy twice? We already know this is a world where the Illuminati exists.

I think they did a pretty good job portraying the pre-MJ12 world where the Illuminati pulls the strings from behind the scenes, manipulating the mass media and public opinion (as opposed to deploying POWAH ARMAH troops in the streets ala Deus Ex's Paris). It would have been cool if we'd gotten to interact with them more, but they wouldn't be such a mystery anymore.

 

[Baron Dupek]

Meanwhile on the other side of the planet

Hnnnnngggggg

HR missed the opportunity for more modern theories. Maybe new XFiles help with it but I doubt.Seems like conspiracy theorists doesn't exist in social media. Plus that mezopatyme or what that crap for crippled was called, took near similiar role like ambrosia but was dropped. Modders surery would fix that, but thanks to the not modder firendly enigne we can forgot about fixing the game.

 

[tuluse]

Meanwhile on the other side of the planet

Hnnnnngggggg

HR missed the opportunity for more modern theories. Maybe new XFiles help with it but I doubt.Seems like conspiracy theorists doesn't exist in social media. Plus that mezopatyme or what that crap for crippled was called, took near similiar role like ambrosia but was dropped. Modders surery would fix that, but thanks to the not modder firendly enigne we can forgot about fixing the game.

Modern conspiracy theories are all "jet fuel can't melt steel" and aren't fun.

 

[Jaedar]

Honestly, they never should have prequeled Deus Ex. They should have called it deus ex, set it in a place similar to the past of deus ex, but put in other, more modern conspiracy theories. Maybe this time the aliens really do exist and illuminati is just a scapegoat?

 

[Infinitron]

The way I see it is, since the Illuminati are a fundamentally less aggressive antagonist than MJ12, Eidos Montreal had to make DX:HR's plot a bit less about top-down driven ideologies and conspiracies and a bit more about politics and people. The whole "augmentation debate" is the angle they chose to take to explore that approach.

It's definitely a more contemporary, some might say more banal approach, but it's not irrational.

 

[Decado]

DX:HR was like JJ Abram's Star Trek reboot. It had all the bells and whistles of Star Trek, and it had the same recognizable characters, but it didn't have the soul. Star Trek was about exploration, whereas the reboot was an action movie in space. DX was about the conspiracy, whereas DXHR was an action game in Detroit. The similarities between the two games are flimsy and superficial., which suggests that they didn't understand what the first DX was really doing. Or, in the spirit of charity, it maybe suggests that higher-ups wanted a cover shooter instead of a good story.

 

[Infinitron]

DX:HR was like JJ Abram's Star Trek reboot. It had all the bells and whistles of Star Trek, and it had the same recognizable characters, but it didn't have the soul. Star Trek was about exploration, whereas the reboot was an action movie in space. DX was about the conspiracy, whereas DXHR was an action game in Detroit. The similarities are flimsy and superficial.

I don't feel that that's an entirely fair analogy. DX:HR's approach is different, but I wouldn't describe it as as some kind of boorish/unintellectual "action" approach. I mean, it's a game where at one point you participate in an impromptu political debate on national TV.

Politics and people.

 

[Decado]

Meanwhile on the other side of the planet

Hnnnnngggggg

HR missed the opportunity for more modern theories. Maybe new XFiles help with it but I doubt.Seems like conspiracy theorists doesn't exist in social media. Plus that mezopatyme or what that crap for crippled was called, took near similiar role like ambrosia but was dropped. Modders surery would fix that, but thanks to the not modder firendly enigne we can forgot about fixing the game.

Modern conspiracy theories are all "jet fuel can't melt steel" and aren't fun.

I think they could have done a lot. One of the biggest social concerns in the US right now is police brutality as a specific aim of the government; there's conspiracy fodder galore, right there. Or the economic inequality problem that the US has - again, great fucking conspiracy theory stuff, they just have to flesh it out and make it weird. DX took one of the oldest, most ridiculous conspiracy theories out there and made it cool, it is not impossible to do with good writing.

 

[Gozma]

Eh, the game was pretty clearly not very interested in considering the anti-aug philosophy qua philosophy; the whole debate was supposed to be an insincere illuminati con job created via media manipulation to keep people weak and defenseless. Only the smarmy boss guy of the place you work for had a philosophical level about the subject IIRC. I hope they don't misread their own game and think that was a main theme the player is supposed to think about rather than worldbuilding that characters in the world think about.

I can vaguely see them not fucking this up as bad as you would assume they will and packing in a lot of good Deus Exy stuff (kinda like HR turned out) but I can't imagine it being full bore good because they're taking on so many storytelling handicaps like being an interior sequel with the same crappy throatvoice cipher protagonist that has to be immune to character development.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

 

[Infinitron]

Kind of Witchery. Letho, is that you?

 

[Carrion]

Honestly, they never should have prequeled Deus Ex. They should have called it deus ex, set it in a place similar to the past of deus ex, but put in other, more modern conspiracy theories. Maybe this time the aliens really do exist and illuminati is just a scapegoat?

Nah, they should've just called it Human Revolution and severed any ties it had to Deux Ex. On its own it was a good game, but when compared directly to Deus Ex it fell short on too many areas, like the setting (too advanced and clean for a prequel), the story (little connection to the backstory of Deus Ex, largely different themes) and the level design (too linear and restricted for the most part, with a clear "combat path" and "stealth path" through most levels). It was not like Invisible War which simply was too shitty to deserve to be called Deus Ex, it just clearly wanted to tell a different kind of a story and portray a different kind of a world. Now that they want to expand upon that universe, the "Deus Ex" name is probably more of a burden than anything else.

Looking forward to Human Revolution 2.

 

[SoupNazi]

The trailer looks amazing, just like the one for HR. Say what you will about cinematics and shoulder blades and more action than stealth or whatever, but it is amazing, and the music is as excellent as last time. If that is a sign of things to come, then my hype is augmented.

 

[Trash]

Looks like a solid trailer. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Incidently. Which version of Deus Ex: HR to play? I heard both good and bad things about the DC. Mostly about it not running well on some machines but splendid on others. If that's all...

 

[jcd]

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[Wirdschowerdn]

That trailer was utter crap.

And that bad guy is an utter joke. What a ridiculous accent.

 

[Crooked Bee]

I hope you'll have the option to side with the communist rebellion. Otherwise, not gonna bother.

 

[hiver]

Darkness must End!

proceeds to butcher and cut into pieces everyone around.

The opponent is a leader of teh Augmented, looks like Frankenstein monster. That speaks in horrible Russian accent.

 

[Decado]

Though who knows, maybe they will retcon it into existence by saying that Jensen blew up Panchea but survived on the ocean floor, or some other ridiculous horseshit.

MFW Jensen is floating in water with an airplane over head. Lmao. Someone mail me a cake.

 

[Sykar]

It's a good title even as a Deus Ex game. Deus Ex was better, but let's not forget some of it's weaknesses, like the god awful Asian voices in Hong Kong. That's one area in which HR was clearly better, not just VO but also dialogue in general.

My biggest complain about HR would be that you can relatively easily max out almost all augmentations. While the game excuses this by telling you that all the systems are there and you just have to "learn" them it still cheapens character development by limiting the impact of choices. DX 1 forced some pretty tough choices on you on several slots which were mutually exclusive.

That and the rather imho uninspired ending part.

 

[Maculo]

I still need to finish HR. I did not like it as much as Deus Ex or even Invisible War.

This trailer was not bad, but it was more "action-y" compared to the HR trailer. The augmentations felt a lot more over the top.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/337000/

That didn't take long.

 

[prodigydancer]

 

[Gozma]

I hope you'll have the option to side with the communist rebellion. Otherwise, not gonna bother.

It's obviously gonna be some kind of triple bankshot Illuminati plot which you are sequel-predestined to be unable to ultimately thwart.

I can't even really think of what they could fill the game time with. You can't expose shit or materially effect any part of the "worldplot" and you can't even get the vicarious feeling of a new PC discovering the conspiracy stuff again. I guess they just got a directive from management that they had to use the same protagonist because they built up brand equity on throatvoice man.