Civilization V

[DeepOcean]

Last time I heard about Civ V, people said that is was a very shitty Civilization game with broken AI but the expansions improved on the AI enough to it become playable, is this true or people are just being popamole biased as usual?

 

[Delterius]

The real question you should ask yourself is wether the 1unit per tile stick will get irritating after a while. As for the AI, I don't know. I was never fond of Civilization's AIs.

 

[DeepOcean]

The real question you should ask yourself is wether the 1unit per tile stick will get irritating after a while. As for the AI, I don't know. I was never fond of Civilization's AIs.

Can you select all of them and give them a command or it is like CIv 3 where you had to move each one? That shit can get really, really boring on a huge map game.

 

[Delterius]

The real question you should ask yourself is wether the 1unit per tile stick will get irritating after a while. As for the AI, I don't know. I was never fond of Civilization's AIs.

Can you select all of them and give them a command or it is like CIv 3 where you had to move each one? That shit can get really, really boring on a huge map game.

If I'm not mistaken, its the latter.

 

[baturinsky]

I haven't played it since vanilla... Is it still crap, or they removed city states already?

 

[Turisas]

Naw, they're the same.

 

[Malakal]

I haven't played it since vanilla... Is it still crap, or they removed city states already?

They nerfed CS considerably, especially the maritime ones.

The real question you should ask yourself is wether the 1unit per tile stick will get irritating after a while. As for the AI, I don't know. I was never fond of Civilization's AIs.

You move 300 of your units one by one every turn and plan to march them through a 20 tile choke point while your previously planned routes for workers and other units get canceled because some unit happened to be in a relevant tile this turn. And you do that every turn.

Last time I heard about Civ V, people said that is was a very shitty Civilization game with broken AI but the expansions improved on the AI enough to it become playable, is this true or people are just being popamole biased as usual?

AI is better but not good. You have problems losing a war because of how strong the cities now are and how the AI can hardly use their units. Also ranged units massacre everything from many tiles away.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Anybody tried Faerun for G&K mod? Souns nice.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=192736010

 

[KoolNoodles]

Anybody tried Faerun for G&K mod? Souns nice.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=192736010

Only done smaller mods, because I didn't think the game was too moddable yet(like Fall From Heaven scale for Civ4). Looks like it could be okay, but not nor BNW so no thanks. Also, there's Warlock if you want fantasy Civ5.

 

[Malakal]

Someone actually made a mod based in one of the most vanilla generic and bland settings ever conceived? Wow.

 

[Gragt]

Holy shiat! What film is this scene from?

I might be wrong but I think it is from some '80s blaxploitation flick called Rape Niggers From Rapefrica.

 

[Turisas]

because I didn't think the game was too moddable yet(like Fall From Heaven scale for Civ4).

Only scale worth playing. FFH is still a better game than CiV, its expansions and all the mods combined.

 

[Modron]

Holy shiat! What film is this scene from?

I might be wrong but I think it is from some '80s blaxploitation flick called Rape Niggers From Rapefrica.

All joking aside, I am guessing its from the mostly forgettable Blood Diamond.

 

[Shadenuat]

Played a bit of BNW as Huns, tried to be a warmongering dick with tons of faith. Didn't pay off.
The AI can be a backstabbing bastard which I like.
Banning marble for being amoral is stupid but fuck it. At least now I can has some intrigue.
But penalties for empires are big. What is even the point in that wargame system if I can't conquer anybody, cause my happiness would just hit the floor? All I can do is raze a city, and then opponent would probably just build another one with same name, and in few turns it would grow to similar size.
Ranged units are still best. Cavalry sucks ass against anything. Pikemen kill it, cities kill it, boats kill it, archers kill it, swordsmen kill it... seems like best army is 3-4 archers or their equivalents, 1 infantry and 1 horseman for razing farms.
Religion... had a ton of religion, could buy units reliably, but having ton of money would be a lot better. It's not like playing Hive or Believers in SMAC, can't win with numbers, even with super buffed fanatical experienced numbers, have to do science and moneyz and think small.
In the end I got stuck somewhere around late mid game by having too many cities and not enough science. Had to fight four city states and two enemies at the same time, bah. I should probably try it with smaller empire and with less LARP, more trading posts and shit.

 

[oscar]

I feel the game is a little too harsh on warmongers or even large peaceful empires. When I can barely keep up with the happiness demands of my own populace what point is there to conquering other than to slap down my rivals?

Conquering and even settling only seems worth it to acquire resources you would otherwise be unable to. And even then if you let them grow to even a moderate size they end up sucking more happiness than their resources provide.

 

[Malakal]

True, there is no incentive for expansion until at least late-mid game. Before that its better to just pop up another settler. This issue could be mitigated a bit if you could seed the map with more civs to overpopulate it - currently the only reason for expansion is when you are boxed in at the start which happens rarely.

 

[Luzur]

True, there is no incentive for expansion until at least late-mid game. Before that its better to just pop up another settler. This issue could be mitigated a bit if you could seed the map with more civs to overpopulate it - currently the only reason for expansion is when you are boxed in at the start which happens rarely.

maybe more of those barbarian states seeded in at start?

 

[Shadenuat]

So I installed "What would Ghandi do?" mod, it should remove AI happiness bonuses but give him better production, and it indeed seems to do so, I think it gives AI's some free Golden Ages and makes them more aggressive, so now it feels more like basic Civ5 but with all BNW improvements of course and better AI. No more free 30-cized cities for AI, everything is much more even and smooth. I played one game on low difficulty (Prince) to test it out and while it was easy to win I still got a few surprises.

I played Egypt, focused on building wonders and making tall empire. First turns I get rushed by barbarians and 5-6 Montezuma units, manage to kick them out by moving chariots around cities, but can't do anything else. Gathered some forces and backstabbed the prick, and it all went downhill as most civs on pangea started to denounce me, with exception of mongols who acted as warmongers themselves and already conquered a city state (!) and were kicking Poland ball around. The Poland ball seems was made of mithril as mongols were fighting poles for ~1500 years and still couldn't grab Warsaw because it was between mountains and the sea, only when mongols got planes things started to change a bit. Meanwhile I destroyed azteks and prepared to conquer Theodora who was the council leader and constantly annoyed me. So I captured her capital and prepared to sit around and play with culture, when she suddenly attacks me again "it is impossibru but i will fight u", and then BRAZILIAN SLAUGHTER who is ahead of me in tech and also has, just as me, modern artillery and better infantry attacks me. So I am almost in the middle of world war there, grab oil from city state and D-Day BRAZILIAN SLAUGHTER with panzers, foreign legions (what a cheating ability) and artillery. In the end me and mongols have half of pangea each although I lead. Mongols still couldn't capture Warsaw, btw, even with bombers and modern infantry. Game ends with my diplomatic victory.

Much fun almost like real Civ, just still have to move 20 units around and get constantly stuck between mountains and shit. Will try the mod on higher difficulties later.

 

[Gozma]

Just bought the super everything edition in the steam sale, should I play games installing the DLC stepwise to appreciate what they do or is it all just straight improvement and I should put everything in from the start?

 

[Irenaeus]

Straight improvement and you should put everything in from the start. Better yet, play Civ IV or SMAC.

 

[Gozma]

Also apparently it doesn't have the latest big expansion so they done fucked me

 

[tuluse]

Just bought the super everything edition in the steam sale, should I play games installing the DLC stepwise to appreciate what they do or is it all just straight improvement and I should put everything in from the start?

Only play vanilla if you hate yourself. I have yet to play the most recent expansion, but I would never play less than G&K.

 

[tiagocc0]

whoa, they did it before you even started the game! impressive

 

[Gozma]

Only play vanilla if you hate yourself.

Not in the way where I play videogames in a suboptimal way

tk bros

 

[Elwro]

Don't know about the last expansion, but I'd say the game is super-boring without the first one.

edit: too slow sorry