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Gosh, what an ENHANCED dialog screen. I'm so happy that I can only see 3 freaking dialog options at a time (depending on the amount of NPC dialog). Thanks, Beamcrud!
Gosh, what an ENHANCED dialog screen. I'm so happy that I can only see 3 freaking dialog options at a time (depending on the amount of NPC dialog). Thanks, Beamcrud!
I always give him the girdle for maximum cuck.This is just the autist in me - but I was studying that picture and could identify x4 pairs of boobs; I take it Khalid is wearing a certain girdle?.
e) let us purchase the normal version separately for cheaper.
BG1 is a great game and it would be hard to make it a truly awful experience. It's just that the rest of us have no interest in paying double price for a bunch of changes that mostly range between mediocre, dumb, and insignificant.
I played it extremely briefly when I was younger and trying to get into the series. I think I was around 14 or 15. The low resolution and UI was enough to make me stop playing at that age. I'm willing to admit that the original might have been a better version than the Enhanced Edition once you've modded it to your liking; my issue is that people are blowing up the flaws in the EE to make it out as if it's absolutely shit and hasn't done anything well. If it wasn't for the mods, the EE would be an improvement over the original BG, and even with the mods, it does other things that are good for the genre. Also, here is a quick run down of little things that the EE does which are QoL improvements.Did you play original BG?
The original game comes free with the EE. Scummy that they force you to buy the EE, but oh well. Shit on Beamdog, not the EE as a productAh, I forgot that the original was removed from all the digital stores, what a strange coincidence.
It's a good thing because by bringing in new people into the RPG market, other indie games benefit from having an increased number of people to sell games to. And it was a lot of people. The steam and gog sales indicate this.1) Beamtrash brought "a lot" of new people supposedly and that's a good thing because...........
It's objectively easier for a casual. Look at the people that praise it on both reddit and beamdog forums. They might be retards, but they're retards that give money.2) It's easier than downloading a bunch of scary RAR files for free.
I didn't have any problems with bugs and it seems like the majority of people outside the Codex don't. This is a subjective point, but if you played a game two or three times, enjoying it every play through, and didn't experience a bug; wouldn't you have a problem or some pushback against the idea that the game is buggy as hell and broken.3) Bugs, what bugs? Cocks, dicks, faggots etc. Pls stop complaining about this thing I wasted my money on.
It is a dirty thing to do. I'll never defend Beamdog for it. That doesn't have any direct bearing on the actual EE game itself.My main gripe with EE is that it's a dirty thing to do, to take an old classic and replace the original with your version. I wouldn't care enough to post there if they were sold separately.
I agree with most all these things with the added caveat that I never really played through the original baldur's gate so I don't know what some of these things would have qualified. These are all problems with Beamdog though, and there is no reason not to be hard on them. The EE as a game is still acceptable, and good for what it does.a) were trying to keep the BG series as true to the originals as possible.
b) made all their additions etc truly optional.
c) had a vision of truly building more BG-style games and/or a proper sequel instead of giving us the SOD that no one asked for.
d) didn't put gender politics or SJW politics in general into their games.
e) let us purchase the normal version separately for cheaper.
They are. Still kinda fucked that you have to pay extra for the EE though.The original versions are bundled with the EEs, aren't they?
You have no evidence that these people were new to the market. You weren't. By your own admission you played the original.It's a good thing because by bringing in new people into the RPG market, other indie games benefit from having an increased number of people to sell games to. And it was a lot of people. The steam and gog sales indicate this.
We don't care about the casuals and we want them to go away. The more of them there are in the RPG market, the more game companies will dumb things down for them.It's objectively easier for a casual. Look at the people that praise it on both reddit and beamdog forums. They might be retards, but they're retards that give money.
Thousands of results for "bg:ee bug" on google. If there were no bugs, then what have all the patches been fixing these past few years?I didn't have any problems with bugs and it seems like the majority of people outside the Codex don't.
No, because I'm not a retard and I know that not everyone has my exact system/luck. Plus I can read changelogs.This is a subjective point, but if you played a game two or three times, enjoying it every play through, and didn't experience a bug; wouldn't you have a problem or some pushback against the idea that the game is buggy as hell and broken.
Sure it does. You buy it, you support the company. And you have to buy it because the originals are off the market - unless you want to pirate it.It is a dirty thing to do. I'll never defend Beamdog for it. That doesn't have any direct bearing on the actual EE game itself.
It is, though the EE seems to have damaged the modding community quite a bit at first. It's never fully recovered, but on a technical level, things do seem to be fully moddable again. Hopefully it will pick up.Also, is it not possible to mod the EE of these games as well?
I'm willing to admit that the original might have been a better version than the Enhanced Edition once you've modded it to your liking; my issue is that people are blowing up the flaws in the EE to make it out as if it's absolutely shit and hasn't done anything well.
Only on GOG, I believe.The original versions are bundled with the EEs, aren't they?
Except I was new, because I bounced off BG the first time. It is 100% reasonable to assume that of the up to 1 million sales BG:EE has on Steam alone that at the very least 10% of those sales are new players; which is about a hundred thousand new people introcued to the market.You have no evidence that these people were new to the market. You weren't. By your own admission you played the original.
Casuals don't like BG. If they like it, than logic goes to show that they'd want a game that is similar to that; not dumbed down like other games.We don't care about the casuals and we want them to go away. The more of them there are in the RPG market, the more game companies will dumb things down for them.
There are plenty of retards who like good games. All of those retards will still enjoy something like Underrail for example, and their exposure to BG has a good chance of leading them to it (it lead me to it), and those retards money helps developers like Styg make more new content and games.You're literally admitting that the people who praise the game are retards and you don't understand that we didn't want them to be part of the market anyway.
Thousands of results for "bg original bug" on google. Both versions have their fair share of bugs that have required patches to be fixed.Thousands of results for "bg:ee bug" on google. If there were no bugs, then what have all the patches been fixing these past few years?
So if you have a company that treats all its employees like a piece of shit and personifies everything wrong in the gaming industry, but they release an amazing quality game; you're not going to buy it? This is a retarded point. Even if you were to protest a product due to the company, that doens't count as a valid criticism towards the product itself.Sure it does. You buy it, you support the company. And you have to buy it because the originals are off the market - unless you want to pirate it.
So if in a few years, BG:EE develops a modding scene that is equal to the original BG, and the product ends up being superior to the original with mods; you'll change your tune regarding the BG:EE?It is, though the EE seems to have damaged the modding community quite a bit at first. It's never fully recovered, but on a technical level, things do seem to be fully moddable again. Hopefully it will pick up.
I don't know. I said I'm willing to admit it because it has nothing to do with the quality of the EE.How would you really know, if you haven't played the originals, though? EE isn't "shit" in the same way that Superman 64 is shit or Dragon Age 2 is shit. As I said, it is mostly mediocre and insignificant. As someone who's played BG literally every single year since its release more or less, I look at EE's changes and I mostly think, "whatever".
I'm not defending Beamdog. Alright, they're a shitty company. What I'm directly focusing on is the actual EE as a game itself; not even on the concept of an EE being released.Imagine the EE was a WeiDU mod where I could select each component to install. I would probably install their equipped weapons QoL feature, and maybe one or two more things? That means it has less significance to my game than the Ease of Use mod, even. Now, in reality, I have to pay double price and then the one or two little niceties come with a bunch of mediocre, pointless, and sometimes annoying changes - and also deal with quite a few bugs (BG1:EE was quite buggy at release, and this is quite simply? No thanks. That's more annoying than the work of installing some mods, which has become extremely painless these days anyway.
The additional rancor comes from the fact that their they engage in shitty practices like taking the originals off the web, and that this is part of their business which has spent years churning out these products and not actually contribute a fully original RPG.
Then there are additional annoyances, like how the new product split and really slowed down the modding community as lambchop says - a community which has produced more quality improvements to the game than EE ever did. Hell, it's even harder to google for stuff now because you don't know which version people are talking about. I wouldn't blame beamdog for these things, that's what happens when you do an EE - but that's why you want people to do a substantial and authoritative EE, not this weak soup.
That's why, all in all, IMO they are a shitty company that makes insignificant patches and years on, I truly do not see any point to their existence.
The thing is, the vast majority of people on the Codex don't approach the EEs with this level of reasonableness.And I as a person that played original BG1 when it released and then BG2 and kept playing them for years consider bg1ee worthy of existing.
Yea changes are not nearly as good as I first hoped for but there are enough now that I would rather have bg1ee than not.
But I agree that at release bg1ee was pretty buggy and it is fucked up to remove original games from stores.
Bg2ee and pstee I don't know what is their point. Iwdee I enjoyed playing as a new and different experience compared to original iwd (that I finished twice before) but I can understand how people that play iwdee as their only iwd experience will get something unbalanced.
Good for you.Except I was new
Based on what stats? New players of BG aren't necessarily new to the RPG market.It is 100% reasonable to assume that of the up to 1 million sales BG:EE has on Steam alone that at the very least 10% of those sales are new players; which is about a hundred thousand new people introcued to the market.
I can see that.There are plenty of retards who like good games.
So now there are bugs in BGEE. What a discovery.Both versions have their fair share of bugs that have required patches to be fixed.
Beamdog has never made a quality game. They've modded and patched a game that was already quality, mostly using existing mods and patches as a base.So if you have a company that treats all its employees like a piece of shit and personifies everything wrong in the gaming industry, but they release an amazing quality game; you're not going to buy it?
Apples to oranges.Even if you were to protest a product due to the company, that doens't count as a valid criticism towards the product itself.
It's been 6 years already.So if in a few years, BG:EE develops a modding scene that is equal to the original BG
If they fix everything and change their business practices, sure. They haven't though.and the product ends up being superior to the original with mods; you'll change your tune regarding the BG:EE?
No one says it has anything to do with the quality of the product. It's just another reason we don't like its existence.I don't know. I said I'm willing to admit it because it has nothing to do with the quality of the EE.
Then why were you arguing for 2 pages that one of the great things about the game was that it supposedly brought new people to the market? That has nothing to do with the quality of the product and everything to do with Beamdog releasing it.I'm not defending Beamdog. Alright, they're a shitty company. What I'm directly focusing on is the actual EE as a game itself; not even on the concept of an EE being released.
He just has a different opinion on the game. He's not using some special amount of reason that we aren't. You just like that he's not criticizing it in its current state.The thing is, the vast majority of people on the Codex don't approach the EEs with this level of reasonableness.snip
But Beamdog haven't developed an amazing quality game. They have developed 0 games.So if you have a company that treats all its employees like a piece of shit and personifies everything wrong in the gaming industry, but they release an amazing quality game; you're not going to buy it?
Casuals don't like BG. If they like it, than logic goes to show that they'd want a game that is similar to that; not dumbed down like other games.
Beamdog =/= Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition the gameYou keep repeating that people aren't "reasonable" about beamdog
Go fuck yourself. You made a false claim and I responded to it. Good for you is just a deflection from the fact that you were wrong.Good for you.
It's very reasonable to assume that people who are new to Baldur's Gate were likely never introduced to any of the other IE games, or the other classics of the genre.Based on what stats? New players of BG aren't necessarily new to the RPG market.
Except my original point wasn't necessarily that BG:EE doesn't have any bugs but that it is about on par with what the original Baldur's Gate dealt with; therefore, citing its bugs as evidence of it being completely and utterly shit isn't fair. They're certainly a valid complaint, but that one complaint doesn't make the game shit. Nor does the additional content in conjunction with the bugs make the game shit.So now there are bugs in BGEE. What a discovery.
Beamdog has never made a quality game. They've modded and patched a game that was already quality, mostly using existing mods and patches as a base.
Both of you missed the fucking point. It's an analogy. One of the reasons Lambchop listed for BG:EE being shit is that buying it supports Beamdog, the analogy was there to illustrate the flaw in that logic.But Beamdog haven't developed an amazing quality game. They have developed 0 games.
It's an important distinction, because this is one of the reasons you cite to back up your claim of BG:EE being shit.Apples to oranges.
Hold on a second. The original BG wasn't fixed by Black Isle, but by the modding community; and the game that you compare with the EE is the modded up version. Therefore, if we follow your logic, if enough mods come out to fix the issues in the game, you shouldn't have a single fucking problem with it.It's been 6 years already. If they fix everything and change their business practices, sure. They haven't though.
Fair enough, scratch the second part. The amended statement is "I'm not defending Beamdog. Alright, they're a shitty company. What I'm directly focusing on is the actual EE as a game itself."Then why were you arguing for 2 pages that one of the great things about the game was that it supposedly brought new people to the market? That has nothing to do with the quality of the product and everything to do with Beamdog releasing it.
That's the thing, you don't have a substantial enough reason to call the game shit. You hate it on principle. If the original BG was released with the shitty UI and even the added content, you would still enjoy the game.He just has a different opinion on the game. He's not using some special amount of reason that we aren't.
BG is about as casual as Underrail, IWD, PST, or even Arcanum and TOEE if you can get past the graphics and the bugs. And even than, as casual as these games are, there are many times more games that are more "casual" than all of these titles.BG is as casual as RPG can get without going full decline.
People call the enhanced edition of the game shit, and not worth playing. That's what's unreasonable. I never said people aren't being reasonable in regards to Beamdog, my comment is strictly in regards to the product we received.
It is not worth playing compared to the original. Which makes it a pretty shit "enhanced edition".Beamdog =/= Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition the game
People call the enhanced edition of the game shit, and not worth playing. That's what's unreasonable.
I'm too busy fucking another of your lame arguments into the dirt atm, but maybe later.Go fuck yourself.
Friendo, I told you before that your own story was anecdotal at best.You made a false claim and I responded to it. Good for you is just a deflection from the fact that you were wrong.
Based on your own wishful thinking. Not everyone on earth is you or has your experiences, little guy.It's very reasonable to assume that people who are new to Baldur's Gate were likely never introduced to any of the other IE games, or the other classics of the genre.
Except it introdued new bugs that weren't present in the original BG. It's not a new game. It was a functional, already patched game that they fucked with and broke and then spent 6+ years patching.Except my original point wasn't necessarily that BG:EE doesn't have any bugs but that it is about on par with what the original Baldur's Gate dealt with
So after 6 years of waiting, how much longer should we wait exactly before there isn't a problem? How many more bug-introducing patches will it have to go through?Therefore, if we follow your logic, if enough mods come out to fix the issues in the game, you shouldn't have a single fucking problem with it.
A bad analogy, smart guy. We didn't miss your point, we were laughing at it.Both of you missed the fucking point. It's an analogy.
I wasn't really claiming that. I didn't realize you meant the quality of the game, since you've bounced back and forth defending its existence etc so often and then turning around and demanding we only talk about the game's quality.It's an important distinction, because this is one of the reasons you cite to back up your claim of BG:EE being shit.
It was in very playable condition almost immediately upon release. None of this 6 years of patches bullshit. There were mods that fixed some other bugs though, yes, mods that Beamdog did more than sneak a peak at for the EE, for all the good it did them.Hold on a second. The original BG wasn't fixed by Black Isle
The game itself and its effect on the market, you mean. One effect of which was getting the originals removed except in bundle form with the more expensive EE.Fair enough, scratch the second part. The amended statement is "I'm not defending Beamdog. Alright, they're a shitty company. What I'm directly focusing on is the actual EE as a game itself."
I have multiple reasons. I've listed them multiple times. The introduction of bugs that break the game, lesser bugs, crappy characters and writing inserted into the game, bad ui - especially the dialog window, but in other areas as well, like the journal.That's the thing, you don't have a substantial enough reason to call the game shit.
The original wasn't billing itself as enhanced and didn't have an original game I could buy cheaper that was better in almost every way.You hate it on principle. If the original BG was released with the shitty UI and even the added content, you would still enjoy the game.