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Burning Bridges
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Imperial Germany won WW1 in the East (treaty of Brest-Litowsk March 1918) 
that's not fictional.
that's not fictional.
you get to play reds, whites and siberian whites in the demo and their campaign goals are basically "colour the map"... was wondering whether it gets more varied in the full game
it doesn't really make sense to send the czech legions on a rampage through russia when their goal was to get out of there as soon as possible with as many men left as possible, so they could fight austria-hungary on the western front
fictional scenario sounds interesting, though... was wondering about the few green cities that sprung up during the demo and the 'anarchist ai' that was being calculated at the end of the turn
it doesn't really make sense to send the czech legions on a rampage through russia when their goal was to get out of there as soon as possible with as many men left as possible, so they could fight austria-hungary on the western front
fictional scenario sounds interesting, though... was wondering about the few green cities that sprung up during the demo and the 'anarchist ai' that was being calculated at the end of the turn
Burning Bridges said:Imperial Germany won WW1 in the East (treaty of Brest-Litowsk March 1918)
First of all Germany didnt win the WWI in the eastern front, Russia lost it. Difference? Revolution. Stable Russian government could outlast Germans.
Second what I meant is You implied that Germany invades Russia after winning the WWI in that fictional scenario. So I asked how could it win WWI WITHOUT invading Russia beforehand? Schlieffens plan was as fictional as that scenario is and not very realistic.
Burning Bridges
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Make of it what you will when the final version arrives, but that 'Drang nach Osten'' scenario sounds very interesting.
It makes me wonder why there should not appear a WW1 East Front (1914-1918++) campaign later on, with a Austria-Hungary faction. Either as a mod or an add-on.
Genehmigt.
However, according to that way of thinking France, Britain and USA also did not win WW1 - Germany lost it -
In the end this is the same. When a nation collapses (like Russia, Germany, Austria etc), they will get the terms dictated by the victors, all the same.
It makes me wonder why there should not appear a WW1 East Front (1914-1918++) campaign later on, with a Austria-Hungary faction. Either as a mod or an add-on.
Malakal said:
Genehmigt.
However, according to that way of thinking France, Britain and USA also did not win WW1 - Germany lost it -
In the end this is the same. When a nation collapses (like Russia, Germany, Austria etc), they will get the terms dictated by the victors, all the same.
Not all victories are equal. Poland didnt win WWII even if it was on the winning side. Germany didnt win due to military victories but because of economic-political collapse of Russia.
Of course a victory is a victory. Be it a military one or other. Still by referring to the 'east' You refer to the eastern front where Germans pushed Russians back but were far from being victorious before revolution happened. My logical thiniking is: Germany won versus Russia but Germany did not win in the east (as in campaign).
But I guess its semantics.
Of course a victory is a victory. Be it a military one or other. Still by referring to the 'east' You refer to the eastern front where Germans pushed Russians back but were far from being victorious before revolution happened. My logical thiniking is: Germany won versus Russia but Germany did not win in the east (as in campaign).
But I guess its semantics.
Burning Bridges
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Well you certainly have a point that there is a difference between winning and not losing. Especially if one opponent goes down, but the other does not have enough power either to finish him off.
I only want to add France was on the brink of collapse too, during most of the 1st World War.
As to WWII. The only winners of WW2 were USA and the USSR. Poland did not win WW2, but Britain and France and the Netherlands didn't win it either. France and Netherlands lost it politically, Britain economically. Poland (and Czechoslovakia) was assraped by their allies, the same allies which had once started the very war over Polish independence.
I only want to add France was on the brink of collapse too, during most of the 1st World War.
As to WWII. The only winners of WW2 were USA and the USSR. Poland did not win WW2, but Britain and France and the Netherlands didn't win it either. France and Netherlands lost it politically, Britain economically. Poland (and Czechoslovakia) was assraped by their allies, the same allies which had once started the very war over Polish independence.
Erzherzog
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Burning Bridges said:
Hell, Britain had trouble fighting against the Japanese for most of WW2 really, and Japan was definitely not the top power in that war. Britain's problems were very far from being solely economic.
Burning Bridges
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What I meant was Britain got so much debt and no Marshal plan.
Erzherzog
Magister
Yeah, I'm kinda just trying to dogpile on Britain. 
Burning Bridges
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Apparently the Drang nach Osten Campaign gets rave reviews from the first players: http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=19292
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