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Why “Magic: The Gathering” Matters

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I agree with the points about how it stimulates imagination, social skills (especially trading) and strategic thinking, BUT he's just a biased hypocrite for dismissing Pokémon as Yu-Gi-Oh as child-like in the same breath, as they are mostly the same.
 

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I agree with the points about how it stimulates imagination, social skills (especially trading) and strategic thinking, BUT he's just a biased hypocrite for dismissing Pokémon as Yu-Gi-Oh as child-like in the same breath, as they are mostly the same.
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I agree with the points about how it stimulates imagination, social skills (especially trading) and strategic thinking, BUT he's just a biased hypocrite for dismissing Pokémon as Yu-Gi-Oh as child-like in the same breath, as they are mostly the same.
dunno about pokemans but yugioh is simplistic at best.
 

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It's a simpler version, but the core features are there. You have to build your deck, make quick decisions while playing, gather with people to trade and play, and there's a entire lore and magical stuff to stimulate creativity, as he points out...
 

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I never liked it much how people who want to be any good at M:TG have to basically memorize and understand what the entire playset of cards (which isn't the same as all the cards, most people play only using the most recent editions) do and how they relate. Memorizing this stuff seems to drain away all sense of wonder from the game.
 

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Yeah, that's why I stopped playing competitive standard after a while... there are way more fun formats, like cube draft, vintage, modern, sealed deck, etc. Especially on Cockatrice, since you don't have to buy all the cards.
 

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I never liked it much how people who want to be any good at M:TG have to basically memorize and understand what the entire playset of cards (which isn't the same as all the cards, most people play only using the most recent editions) do and how they relate. Memorizing this stuff seems to drain away all sense of wonder from the game.
well, i never really had a "sense of wonder" when playing magic. i play because i like the game and i enjoy trying to find a way to "break" the format.
 

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As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.
 

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As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning, because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.
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As someone who has played MtG I call bullshit. Just because the best players have those skills doesn't mean that playing will make you develop them in such scope. Fucking cause and effect, how does it work?
 

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I never liked it much how people who want to be any good at M:TG have to basically memorize and understand what the entire playset of cards (which isn't the same as all the cards, most people play only using the most recent editions) do and how they relate. Memorizing this stuff seems to drain away all sense of wonder from the game.
well, i never really had a "sense of wonder" when playing magic. i play because i like the game and i enjoy trying to find a way to "break" the format.

As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.



Seriously, though, if you like to play that way, more power to you! I have no stomach for this kind of game, though.
 

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Why do people feel like they need to connect a thing they find meaningful in itself to instrumental use for some other, more banal end? If playing MTG or whatever enriches their life, the fact that it involves some basic sort of mathematical proficiency or reading comprehension (lol) seems beside the point. If one's goal was to improve these, many other activities would get the job done much better, but this doesn't mean playing isn't a worthwhile pursuit in itself for someone who enjoys it - it just isn't the basic level of maths, reading or socializing required that makes it worthwhile.

(if instrumental benefits were the standard, mtg or vidya probably wouldn't rank very high among worthwhile pursuits, anyway)
 
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Scruffy

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As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.

I am telling you this out of spite: you are one of the stupidest, angriest losers on this website, who misunderstands a hell of a lot of stuff and posts huge amounts of butthurt nonsense. Good day.

right
you're still wrong about mathematical reasoning, though.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.

How many kids are designing computers and cars?
 

Scruffy

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As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.

How many kids are designing computers and cars?
because everyone remains a kid forever and nobody ever uses stuff he has learned when younger
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.

How many kids are designing computers and cars?
because everyone remains a kid forever and nobody ever uses stuff he has learned when younger

Most don't use much math though.
 

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As for the rest, mathematical reasoning and such, those aren't terribly important skills. Nerds wish they were, but they're not.

you're right
and you should turn off your computer and disconnect from the internet and stop using cars and public transport and all those feats of engineering made possible by mathematical reasoning (including cameras ofc), because of course you don't want to be a hypocrite.

I am telling you this out of spite: you are one of the stupidest, angriest losers on this website, who misunderstands a hell of a lot of stuff and posts huge amounts of butthurt nonsense. Good day.

right
you're still wrong about mathematical reasoning, though.

He's wrong about everything. "liek book learning doesn't matter just fuk some gurlz lol!!!1" is literally the worst possible goal in life, and will result in nothing but mediocrity.
 

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Wish I had that article to show to my principal ~12 years ago, when MTG was banned in our school because teachers were thinking we were gambling.
 

FeelTheRads

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Wish I had that article to show to my principal ~12 years ago, when MTG was banned in our school because teachers were thinking we were gambling.
at least they didn't think you were summoning demons and such

Speaking of which:
http://www.dmchristopher.com/reviews/KOBOLD TABLETOP/review_blood_wars.htm
Scroll to the "personal anecdote".
Fucking catholics.

Anyone played this, by the way? Started collecting it several months ago because of the Planescape theme, but only could play it with my girlfriend (lol i kiss gurls) but it's not really a 2 player game, even with the 2 player rules that have been released afterwards.
 

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