Popiel
Arcane
Shattered Steel.
Sneak attacks are useless unless you have a flanker, which means both you and your NPC are in close combat. Plus much of HotU is immune to sneak attacks, from golems to undeads to a frakking demi-lich. That is why a crit fighter is pretty much disadvantaged in the game. It is even WORSE in NWN2, but let's not go there.Weapon Finesse is fine. High Dex for armor class and +hit ensures that you get your sneak attacks in and if it is too dangerous for melee you are still an reasonably effective ranged fighter. A paltry +1 or +2 damage won't be much of an issue in the face of north of 10d6 sneak attack damage.
Also having high dex and wis is fine if you want to make the monk tanky/evasive. You still get plenty of damage through the unarmed attacks upgrades, quivering palm, etc.
Sneak attacks are useless unless you have a flanker, which means both you and your NPC are in close combat. Plus much of HotU is immune to sneak attacks, from golems to undeads to a frakking demi-lich. That is why a crit fighter is pretty much disadvantaged in the game. It is even WORSE in NWN2, but let's not go there.Weapon Finesse is fine. High Dex for armor class and +hit ensures that you get your sneak attacks in and if it is too dangerous for melee you are still an reasonably effective ranged fighter. A paltry +1 or +2 damage won't be much of an issue in the face of north of 10d6 sneak attack damage.
Also having high dex and wis is fine if you want to make the monk tanky/evasive. You still get plenty of damage through the unarmed attacks upgrades, quivering palm, etc.
The problem with high Dex is that it isn't the advantage it used to be, what with armour restricting your max dex bonus. You generally end up with +9 (excluding armour enhancement bonuses) total combination of Dex and armour bonus. You can wear Bracers of Armour, but in reality, you are better off buffing AC using other means and wear armour for the other abilities. My aforementioned RDD had saves in the teens to low twenties, and AC in the 40s (+1 Dex, +13 armour, +4 perma Haste, +5 def, +4 RDD, +5 natural armour, +2 tumble) by level 20 (and in the OC, not even HotU yet). Add to that the crazy stuff in HotU (particularly the Haste enchantment on the weapon that frees up the boot slot for Boots of the Sun Soul... Use Magical Devices - the reason for Bard instead of Sorcerer for RDD), and that I can swap in a shield instead of dual wielding my longswords, yeah, mid-50s easy if you really want to push it.
Can a Monk match that? Yes. Tumble is the key here. Max it and get 1 AC per 5 ranks. By level 17, you have +4 AC from tumble. Then layer on the other stuff. Dex is good, but not really all that necessary, given how the bonuses stack in NWN (it shouldn't but there you go). I was steamed when they nerfed that in NWN2 :D I don't generally play with a Dex higher than 14 unless I want TWF, then it is 15. No more.
Agree on that part, we mostly quit campaigns at 10 th level if not before.
Unless everyone including the DM were high as fuck
God damn I miss those good'ol days...
Dex is its own category of AC gain so there is no "compensation" for it unless you can get AC high enough without it that you cannot be hit by anyone one anything but a natural 20.
Also this does not disprove my point. It is not like you will fail any campaign just because you went high dex/weapon finesse. The game is not that hard and for P&P it is completely meaningless unless you have a pure powergaming group, something I avoid like the plague.
Dex is its own category of AC gain so there is no "compensation" for it unless you can get AC high enough without it that you cannot be hit by anyone one anything but a natural 20.
Also this does not disprove my point. It is not like you will fail any campaign just because you went high dex/weapon finesse. The game is not that hard and for P&P it is completely meaningless unless you have a pure powergaming group, something I avoid like the plague.
How many L20 characters do you know who can hit an AC in the mid-50s on anything but a natural 20?
Aww... But I was answering your question. Poor thing didn't like the answer, I take it, although the answer was sitting right there when I said that you can get absurd AC even without a massive Dex bonus.Dex is its own category of AC gain so there is no "compensation" for it unless you can get AC high enough without it that you cannot be hit by anyone one anything but a natural 20.
Also this does not disprove my point. It is not like you will fail any campaign just because you went high dex/weapon finesse. The game is not that hard and for P&P it is completely meaningless unless you have a pure powergaming group, something I avoid like the plague.
How many L20 characters do you know who can hit an AC in the mid-50s on anything but a natural 20?
I do not know and frankly do not care because it is beside the point.
Aww... But I was answering your question. Poor thing didn't like the answer, I take it, although the answer was sitting right there when I said that you can get absurd AC even without a massive Dex bonus.Dex is its own category of AC gain so there is no "compensation" for it unless you can get AC high enough without it that you cannot be hit by anyone one anything but a natural 20.
Also this does not disprove my point. It is not like you will fail any campaign just because you went high dex/weapon finesse. The game is not that hard and for P&P it is completely meaningless unless you have a pure powergaming group, something I avoid like the plague.
How many L20 characters do you know who can hit an AC in the mid-50s on anything but a natural 20?
I do not know and frankly do not care because it is beside the point.
Aww... But I was answering your question. Poor thing didn't like the answer, I take it, although the answer was sitting right there when I said that you can get absurd AC even without a massive Dex bonus.Dex is its own category of AC gain so there is no "compensation" for it unless you can get AC high enough without it that you cannot be hit by anyone one anything but a natural 20.
Also this does not disprove my point. It is not like you will fail any campaign just because you went high dex/weapon finesse. The game is not that hard and for P&P it is completely meaningless unless you have a pure powergaming group, something I avoid like the plague.
How many L20 characters do you know who can hit an AC in the mid-50s on anything but a natural 20?
I do not know and frankly do not care because it is beside the point.
It wasn't a game, but a trailer of a game
THIS IS THE NEW SHIIIIIIIIT
Indeed
It wasn't a game, but a trailer of a game
THIS IS THE NEW SHIIIIIIIIT
Indeed
It did for me too until DA:O. Yes, the world was boring, but I enjoyed some RPG concepts in it. Different starts and their effects on gameplay, choices and consequences etc.NWN OC really buried em for me.
I wish it actually was this edgy and over the top most of the time. Instead it's just 90% bland and boring.