Star Wars Was KOTOR even worth a play?

[TedNugent]

Was KOTOR even worth a play? I fucking hate Bioware games, Reddit in the extreme. I did enjoy Mass Effect 1 and 2 because it was a fun shooter though.

The writing in KOTOR seems stupid as fuck, which has been par for the course in the three Bioware games I've actually played through (BG1, ME1 and 2).

Sad about Beamdog though for real. I haven't played their remasters, I used a simple widescreen mod for BG1, Planescape and Fallout which did the job, but the enhanced editions are a must when recommending them to other people, IMHO. I can't tell people to play this oldy but goody and then give them a laundry list of mods. I've even bought PS EE as a gift for people and it remains unplayed, pissed me off for real.

 

[NecroLord]

Was KOTOR even worth a play? I fucking hate Bioware games, Reddit in the extreme. I did enjoy Mass Effect 1 and 2 because it was a fun shooter though.

The writing in KOTOR seems stupid as fuck, which has been par for the course in the three Bioware games I've actually played through (BG1, ME1 and 2).

Sad about Beamdog though for real. I haven't played their remasters, I used a simple widescreen mod for BG1, Planescape and Fallout which did the job, but the enhanced editions are a must when recommending them to other people, IMHO. I can't tell people to play this oldy but goody and then give them a laundry list of mods. I've even bought PS EE as a gift for people and it remains unplayed, pissed me off for real.

Beamdog is shit.
Just stick to the widescreen mods and other community fixes.

 

[Harthwain]

Was KOTOR even worth a play?

I would say it is mediocre at best. I wouldn't recommend playing it. KotOR 2 is more tolerable (better story, more companions who are interesting).

 

[NecroLord]

Don't listen to the pretentious safe space douche above.
Play both Kotor games.
Kotor 1 is classic Star Wars fun. Do not expect anything world shattering or revolutionary. Still a great story.
Kotor 2 is where things get interesting (and also dark). Avellone writing at its best, a deconstruction of Star Wars itself. Great story, lots of dialogue, sinister plots, serviceable combat (again, nothing extraordinary).

 

[cvv]

I wonder how did Kotor age. Some time ago I tried to replay New Vegas that I absolutely loved 15 years ago but now I dropped it after a few hours. The story and writing still excellent, doubly so in the currentyear GenZ sea of shit, but the moment-to-moment stuff was almost unplayable for me, especially the combat. Fucking awful.

Probably will wait for the remake, I'm sure it's coming out soon :burningdogmeme:

 

[NecroLord]

Some time ago I tried to replay New Vegas that I absolutely loved 15 years

May I recommend the OG Fallout and Fallout 2?
Anyway, Kotor hasn't aged really gracefully, but I find it still looks decent enough.

 

[cvv]

Some time ago I tried to replay New Vegas that I absolutely loved 15 years

May I recommend the OG Fallout and Fallout 2?

Oh I replayed those too, both were great because they're turn-based and don't have to rely on Todd's fuckugly, prehistoric engine.

 

[Roguey]

*watches the Melcars crawl by*

 

[NecroLord]

*watches the Melcars crawl by*

While you are in The Den and "Khans of New California" plays in the background.

 

[jaekl]

I wonder how did Kotor age. Some time ago I tried to replay New Vegas that I absolutely loved 15 years ago but now I dropped it after a few hours. The story and writing still excellent, doubly so in the currentyear GenZ sea of shit, but the moment-to-moment stuff was almost unplayable for me, especially the combat. Fucking awful.

Probably will wait for the remake, I'm sure it's coming out soon :burningdogmeme:

Man, if even new vegas has too much clunk for you now, knights of the old republic will drive you completely bonkers

 

[__scribbles__]

I wonder how did Kotor age.

Not very well. They feel very "boxed in" in that special early 3D way, much more so than many of its contemporaries. The movement is clunky and the UI is a clear downgrade from the IE games. The cutscenes and animations are pretty good and the story works if you're in the mood for classic Star Wars, but don't expect any depth.

In my experience Baldur's Gate and many other early 3D RPGs like VTM:B, Gothic, Morrowind and Deus Ex aged much better than KOTOR, and even New Vegas in many respects.

 

[NecroLord]

In my experience Baldur's Gate and many other early 3D RPGs like VTM:B, Gothic, Morrowind and Deus Ex aged much better than KOTOR, and even New Vegas in many respects.

I would also add Fallout 1 and 2 in there.
It's just something about that post apocalyptic atmosphere that is really gripping...

 

[__scribbles__]

In my experience Baldur's Gate and many other early 3D RPGs like VTM:B, Gothic, Morrowind and Deus Ex aged much better than KOTOR, and even New Vegas in many respects.

I would also add Fallout 1 and 2 in there.
It's just something about that post apocalyptic atmosphere that is really gripping...

They are among the best RPGs of all time but not directly relevant to KOTOR like its contemporaries or Baldur's Gate. That's why I didn't mention them.

I do agree though, classic Fallout has aged very well.

 

[Butter]

KotOR is a solid 5/10 game. The sequel is more like 3/10. They were bad compared to the classics being released around that time, and they don't provide enough replay value to go back to them 20 years later. They were good for normies who didn't know any better, and they probably seemed a lot better if you were coming to them during the post-Troika pre-Kickstarter drought.

 

[Jvegi]

Didn't we just leave this party?

 

[Shaki]

Kotor was and is still worth it, 1 was a fun RPG adventure, simple but satisfying, 2 had really cool writing that still holds up. Sure it's not a fucking literary masterpiece, but if you think Kotor 2 writing was bad, then in comparison pretty much every RPG ever made had dogshit writing, and at this point you should stop playing any story-focused games, leave Codex and go read some books, dumbfuck.

 

[Hellraiser]

I wonder how did Kotor age.

Not very well. They feel very "boxed in" in that special early 3D way, much more so than many of its contemporaries. The movement is clunky and the UI is a clear downgrade from the IE games.

None of which is surprising since it is a console game built for the original xbawks, the KB + M controls are a tacked on feature. If it was first meant for PC it would feel far closer to NWN1 the engine of which KOTOR was using, especially regarding the camera (system/perspective) used.

 

[luj1]

KotOR was one of the last good RPGs of the Renaissance.

 

[Ryzer]

KotOR was one of the last good RPGs of the Renaissance.

The combat system in Kotor is a joke and the game throws tons of enemy at the player.

 

[BruceVC]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...-further-studio-closures-and-buyouts-planned/

Yes I just played it for the first time last week, great game and entertaining

 

[Maxie]

the usual chucklefucks will now try to retroactively rewrite history and pretend KotOR wasn't fun back in year 2003
there are limits to tryhardism

 

[BruceVC]

KotOR was one of the last good RPGs of the Renaissance.

The combat system in Kotor is a joke and the game throws tons of enemy at the player.

Only on the Star Forge, the rest of the game is fine

 

[std::namespace]

Reddit in the extreme. I did enjoy Mass Effect 1 and 2 because it was a fun shooter though.

kill yourself

 

[VerSacrum]

Original film trilogy, TIE Fighter, X-Wing Alliance, Jedi Academy, Kotor. Star Wars at its best before it was irreperably defiled.

Disagree = Contrarian tranny.

 

[luj1]

KotOR was one of the last good RPGs of the Renaissance.

The combat system in Kotor is a joke and the game throws tons of enemy at the player.

So what? This is true for a bunch of games including PST, voted as the #1 Codex CRPG.