pakoito
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I don't get it.Protip: The solution begins with "Ham" and ends with "ickel"
Bolshevik revolution?
I don't get it.Protip: The solution begins with "Ham" and ends with "ickel"
It's funny to me that the media supports VO worker strikes and hollywood strikes, but I can imagine the media reaction if all programmers had a strike. Already you mention H1B program and you will get banned from most tech boards and called a racist.Racist hate group attacks hard working immigrants!
A strike sounds good the problem though, is there is no closed system. When you already have an endless stream of h1b scabs replacing native programmers, then how can you really strike against anything? MOST of the legal immigration to the country is H1B and most of it is to replace techies and programmers. Another exciting aspect is that most of the doctors are now thirdworlders as well.
Anyway for me it is another story as I have not worked for someone as an employee for many years, but it really is a shit industry overall. But I am sure it still depresses the wages I would otherwise make - meanwhile idiots in middle management rake in huge salary for just existing. They would rather pay ten incompetent people 5x the money it would take to hire one really competent person, even if it leads to much worse results.
When it comes to residuals, there is only 100% of gross profits. Each group (publisher, retailer, executives) that gets a slice of the pie reduces the size of the remaining piece that can be handed out. Developers allowing voice actors to get residuals now guarantees they will receive smaller residuals if they ever manage to get some in the future.If developers and/or programmers think that they are underpaid/overworked they should form a fucking union and strike themselves. Fighting union efforts by VAs is just cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
When it comes to residuals, there is only 100% of gross profits. Each group (publisher, retailer, executives) that gets a slice of the pie reduces the size of the remaining piece that can be handed out. Developers allowing voice actors to get residuals now guarantees they will receive smaller residuals if they ever manage to get some in the future.
Unions are parasites that are attempts to form monopolies. People generally recognize that monopolies are bad and an attempt for the businesses to increase their profits by decreasing competition, but for some reason labor monopolies are good, even though they are still attempts to increase profits by decreasing competition. In either case it is the consumer who has to pay more. It's not about workers demanding their fair share, it's about workers demanding that the consumer pay more so they can get greater compensation.
I have no problem with employees being able to collectively bargain, as long as the employer is not limited in his options he has when bargaining with them. Including firing them and hiring someone else if they want more money than he thinks is reasonable. Chances are if the employer can find someone else to do the same work at a quality the employer considers acceptable for less money then the money they are asking for is unreasonable.
Unions only exist because they get special legal protections forcing the employers to deal with the unions instead of being free to exercise all their options.
what the fuck?If the faggotty consumers of electronic entertainment products were themselves value creators then they'd recognize value and start paying developers more money to deliver higher quality content.
what the fuck?
Because as soon as they do people will realize it's laughable for them to be complaining.How much does the average voice actor earn in the gaming industry and what is the minimum someone earns? How long do voice actors work on average as well? No one is discussing this stuff.
Well off hand the gaming industry is a shitty place to work. Devs get bent over a barrel because they are a bunch of manginas. It's no wonder SJWs have manipulated a lot of them with their social justice BS ideology. But if devs aren't getting residuals, I don't see why voice actors should get them. Games were fun before voice acting and voice acting isn't necessary imo. I kind of liked the old voice acting in games from 15 years ago anyways. Sometimes it was cheesy but it still sounded good. Everything is so bland these days and there are very few good voice actors out there from what I see.Because as soon as they do people will realize it's laughable for them to be complaining.
The way I understand it, if I risk my money to make a game, these VA want me to pay them and give them a share of the profits. So I take a risk and they get some of the profits if there are any. That leads me to a question. Do they pay me something if the game loses money? Perhaps developers need to unionize too.
Bullshit. If voice actors don't want developers against them then they need to present their job action in a way that will garner support instead of derision.First, my point is not about what devs or VAs deserve. VA have chosen to organize. If that is a more effective bargaining strategy, then devs and programmers should adopt it, not complain about it.
Second, although more mouths does mean a smaller amount per mouth theoretically, that assumes that the maximum amount which can be shifted towards employee compensation (while keeping the firm viable) has been shifted, which is not usually the case (as shown by the divide between management and labor salaries). A better organized labor force would get more from their employers generally, even if there were multiple worker segments to divide it amongst. In industries where different segments are covered by different unions, those segments still have higher overall compensation than they would without unions.
We've had plenty of neoliberals ruining America. One of the recent batch who managed to single-handedly impede an entire state's economic development was running for president until he quit due to unpopularity and fear of his record being exposed on a national stage.
People recognize two things - how much money they have and how much they are willing to spend for a particular product. Period. There's nothing you can do about it (outside of putting a gun to someones head and saying "it's worth this much and you will buy it for this price or die!"). You basically are butthurt about how human mind operates. And how human mind operates is the reason why the theory is just a theory.If the faggotty consumers of electronic entertainment products were themselves value creators then they'd recognize the source of value and start paying developers more money to deliver higher quality content.
Yeah, that guy, with a 4.6% unemployment in his state! That balanced budget year after year! Those taxes being lowered every year! Fear of record being exposed on a national stage... that's a good one. Impede his states economic development - that's a good one. You have no idea what you are talking about.
People recognize two things - how much money they have and how much they are willing to spend for a particular product. Period. There's nothing you can do about it (outside of putting a gun to someones head and saying "it's worth this much and you will buy it for this price or die!"). You basically are butthurt about how human mind operates. And how human mind operates is the reason why the theory is just a theory.
Bullshit. If voice actors don't want developers against them then they need to present their job action in a way that will garner support instead of derision.
Wisconsin's economy is doing well because of the NATIONAL economy but Minnesota is doing well because... uh... they don't have Scott Walker. Minnesota balanced their budget because of fairy magic, Wisconsin balanced their budget because of the NATIONAL economy. Glad you framed it for me, I might have actually thought about this for more than 2 seconds and seen how fucking stupid your argument is.Please tell me you're a Brazillian or German or any other kind of Third Worlder. If you are an American, I hope you don't vote.
Let me just frame the argument in a way so you can understand it.
Minnesota, which went in the diametrically opposite direction from dumb dumb beta boy, has actually balanced the budget (unlike Wisconsin's perpetual shortfall), increased wages, job growth, and public spending. 100% of Wisconsin's gains are due to gains in the NATIONAL economy, and 100% of Wisconsin's failure is due to dumb dumb beta boy.
Therefore, Scott Walker has impeded economic development of his state by objective measures. What Scott Walker has done is make the people who vote for him wealthy. This means that he is not a leader of a state but a stooge of special interests.
Donald Trump was going to expose this cretin on national TV.
Scott Walker quit because none of the people who support him want his record blasted to smithereens on a national scale. Every single media outlet will be blowing the horns of Wisconsin's mismanagement. He's a fucking liability when put under a spotlight.
The people who support him are either stupid or dishonest. No exceptions.