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Development Info Tyranny Dev Diary Video #3: Gameplay and Mechanics
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No one gives a shit about any of that, son. With the exception of character slots.
Darkzone
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Classes or Classless that is the question.
Whether feel the force upon you to play a certain packaged character, even if you dont want all the baggage with it.
Or suffering the agony of choice, and by its torment experiencing the freedom of playing half of that what you want.
Whether feel the force upon you to play a certain packaged character, even if you dont want all the baggage with it.
Or suffering the agony of choice, and by its torment experiencing the freedom of playing half of that what you want.
FreeKaner
Prophet of the Dumpsterfire
How does no classes make a game elder scrolls? AoD has no classes and it's basically antithesis of oblivion/skyrim. Oblivion is trash because not leveling up is better than leveling up, plus the game is generic as fuck and has dull combat (had some interesting side quests though) and skyrim is trash because it's a hiking simulator, less generic than oblivion but hiking simulator nonetheless.
Classless systems can be great if done properly with proper stat weighing and ability/skill scaling. AoD is a big example of how classless system can be great. I had more fun building a character in AoD than I did in a lot of other games, the whole hoarding skill points to access content slightly undermined it but that's more of a problem with me wanting to see as much content as possible in a single-play through by savescumming. Don't even need to do it for ascending.
Classless systems can be great if done properly with proper stat weighing and ability/skill scaling. AoD is a big example of how classless system can be great. I had more fun building a character in AoD than I did in a lot of other games, the whole hoarding skill points to access content slightly undermined it but that's more of a problem with me wanting to see as much content as possible in a single-play through by savescumming. Don't even need to do it for ascending.
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Grognards hated decline, now they hate incline because any gameplay that's significantly different to their grimy coke stained 2nd source books is heathenism. There isn't a single tiny insignificant thing about classless progression that detracts from choices and consequence and in-depth skillful gameplay. In fact role playing itself probably benefits from breaking out of the crude, broad swipes cliches that 4 decades of Dungeons and Dragons has marooned the mainstream in.
Character creation that requires picking one of 9 preset archetypes then choosing whether you are 10% more healy or 10% more damagey, organic character creation isn't the single god given method to approach role playing.
Of all the things that Tyranny looks like it is doing badly, having the balls to adapt the Morrowind/Oblivion skills mechanic and trying to do it right is one of the things I applaud them for doing. It might work out, it might not work out, but they're at least trying to do something cool and different.
Character creation that requires picking one of 9 preset archetypes then choosing whether you are 10% more healy or 10% more damagey, organic character creation isn't the single god given method to approach role playing.
Of all the things that Tyranny looks like it is doing badly, having the balls to adapt the Morrowind/Oblivion skills mechanic and trying to do it right is one of the things I applaud them for doing. It might work out, it might not work out, but they're at least trying to do something cool and different.
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Class-based character customization works well for party-based games, where the player can decide which combinations of archetypes he wants to use to formulate his party. Less so for games with a single player-character where choosing one archetype means constraining yourself to a certain set of abilities and excluding everything else.
Skill-based character customization works well for games with a single player-character, where the player can fine-tune his PC's skill selection to determine exactly what he is and is not proficient at doing. Less so for party-based games, where the party collectively will be proficient at almost everything.
Class-based character customization was established for character archetypes derived from fantasy literature and works well in fantasy settings where the classes correspond to archetypes that make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for science-fiction settings, where the inspirational literature generally lacks clearly-defined archetypes in terms of character ability.
Skill-based character customization corresponds to characterization in science-fiction literature where individuals have knowledge of specific areas and have aptitude at specific tasks due to their prior education and training, and thus works well in science-fiction settings where the skills available make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for fantasy settings, where the inspirational literature rarely includes characters with a disparate set of skills.
Tyranny is party-based with a fantasy setting, yet chooses skill-based customization over class-based customization?
Skill-based character customization works well for games with a single player-character, where the player can fine-tune his PC's skill selection to determine exactly what he is and is not proficient at doing. Less so for party-based games, where the party collectively will be proficient at almost everything.
Class-based character customization was established for character archetypes derived from fantasy literature and works well in fantasy settings where the classes correspond to archetypes that make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for science-fiction settings, where the inspirational literature generally lacks clearly-defined archetypes in terms of character ability.
Skill-based character customization corresponds to characterization in science-fiction literature where individuals have knowledge of specific areas and have aptitude at specific tasks due to their prior education and training, and thus works well in science-fiction settings where the skills available make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for fantasy settings, where the inspirational literature rarely includes characters with a disparate set of skills.
Tyranny is party-based with a fantasy setting, yet chooses skill-based customization over class-based customization?
Excidium II
Self-Ejected
^ This nigga doesn't know AoD
CRPGs in general reward overspecialization.
CRPGs in general reward overspecialization.
Why is this a problem? Oh right I remembered, CRPGs are shit.
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Good story bro.Class-based character customization works well for party-based games, where the player can decide which combinations of archetypes he wants to use to formulate his party. Less so for games with a single player-character where choosing one archetype means constraining yourself to a certain set of abilities and excluding everything else.
Skill-based character customization works well for games with a single player-character, where the player can fine-tune his PC's skill selection to determine exactly what he is and is not proficient at doing. Less so for party-based games, where the party collectively will be proficient at almost everything.
Class-based character customization was established for character archetypes derived from fantasy literature and works well in fantasy settings where the classes correspond to archetypes that make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for science-fiction settings, where the inspirational literature generally lacks clearly-defined archetypes in terms of character ability.
Skill-based character customization corresponds to characterization in science-fiction literature where individuals have knowledge of specific areas and have aptitude at specific tasks due to their prior education and training, and thus works well in science-fiction settings where the skills available make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for fantasy settings, where the inspirational literature rarely includes characters with a disparate set of skills.
Tyranny is party-based with a fantasy setting, yet chooses skill-based customization over class-based customization?
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Class-based character customization works well for party-based games, where the player can decide which combinations of archetypes he wants to use to formulate his party. Less so for games with a single player-character where choosing one archetype means constraining yourself to a certain set of abilities and excluding everything else.
Skill-based character customization works well for games with a single player-character, where the player can fine-tune his PC's skill selection to determine exactly what he is and is not proficient at doing. Less so for party-based games, where the party collectively will be proficient at almost everything.
Class-based character customization was established for character archetypes derived from fantasy literature and works well in fantasy settings where the classes correspond to archetypes that make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for science-fiction settings, where the inspirational literature generally lacks clearly-defined archetypes in terms of character ability.
Skill-based character customization corresponds to characterization in science-fiction literature where individuals have knowledge of specific areas and have aptitude at specific tasks due to their prior education and training, and thus works well in science-fiction settings where the skills available make sense for the setting and its inspirations. Less so for fantasy settings, where the inspirational literature rarely includes characters with a disparate set of skills.
Tyranny is party-based with a fantasy setting, yet chooses skill-based customization over class-based customization?
Agenda-acknowledged for a thorough apologia for the status-quo. But it seems small-minded to resent Tyranny for trying something different.
Naraya
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Excidium II
Self-Ejected
Evil hasn't really won if quickload isn't F7.
Fairfax
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Yeah, quicksave is F6 by default and quick load is F8. Really weird.
vortex
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I think quicksave F6 was in KOTOR2 or Mass Effect ? Can't remember.
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Excidium II
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But PoE uses the sane f5 and f9.
Fairfax
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KOTOR 1 was F4 and F5, probably the worst ever. I think KOTOR 2 was the same.
adrix89
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I think its probably going to be good since its not PoE and they probably learned something from it.
People have to remember that it takes years of experimentation to get a decent combat system. And since PoE started with the worst possible combat they could have come up with it can only get better.
People have to remember that it takes years of experimentation to get a decent combat system. And since PoE started with the worst possible combat they could have come up with it can only get better.
Excidium II
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^ Bullshit.
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I predict that some people will say the combat feels better and "totally different from PoE" simply because it's slower + has fewer characters to micromanage and correspondingly smaller encounters.
adrix89
Cipher
Any reviews yet?
Release is in three hours, unless you are looking for "professional gaming sites" which regard Bioware as the pinnacle of writing in video games.
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