Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Pre-Release Thread [ALPHA RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Infinitron]

Kevin Saunders sounds like the Comic Book Guy from Simpsons.

 

[hiver]

Nope. Just repeating the basic bullet points.

 

[hiver]

they will have more to say about graphikz this week.

 

[Western]

Chat room loves Herve Caen

 

[Infinitron]

Sounds like the game might not let you attack/kill anything at will. In that sense it will be a bit more constrained and adventure gamey than the original PS:T.

 

[hiver]

Might. Its not decided on completely as i figure.

also, maybe no animations for epic spells, if i heard correctly.

 

[DeepOcean]

Chat room loves Herve Caen

" When will the renowned game designer Herve Caine be added to the Kickstarter Stretch goals?" Trolling or serious?

 

[80Maxwell08]

Might. Its not decided on completely as i figure.

also, maybe no animations for epic spells, if i heard correctly.

I thought they said they would like to do the epic spell animations but it would have to be evaluated how much it costs. Personally I don't want them at all and neither do plenty of people on Obsidian's forums when a poll came up there asking about them. Hope they decide against it.

 

[hiver]

yeah me too. i would prefer a better, deeper magic system then DnD "spells" again.

 

[80Maxwell08]

Hey Brother None someone from the Witcher forums is curious about expenses for a game this scale in California. http://en.thewitcher.com/forum/inde...uccessor-in-the-works-by-inxile/page__st__140

 

[Jaesun]

What is the actual question?

 

[80Maxwell08]

He was just asking for some info about how much funding a game on this scale costs with paying everyone's wages. Though now that you brought that up I don't like my wording. Give me a moment I'll edit that.

 

[norolim]

Hey Brother None someone from the Witcher forums is curious about expenses for a game this scale in California. http://en.thewitcher.com/forum/inde...uccessor-in-the-works-by-inxile/page__st__140

I still don't understand...What game do you mean? Witcher 1, Witcher 2, Torment?

 

[J_C]

Hey Brother None someone from the Witcher forums is curious about expenses for a game this scale in California. http://en.thewitcher.com/forum/inde...uccessor-in-the-works-by-inxile/page__st__140

I still don't understand...What game do you mean? Witcher 1, Witcher 2, Torment?

Since he is asking Brother None, I guess Torment.

 

[Mezebriel]

Sorry for being late about quest markers... but in BG's and PS:T they were present... every NPC having a quest or being a part of quest was named instead of being "townperson". So imo removing every mean of tracking quests would be a hell to navigate in crowded places.

 

[janjetina]

Sorry for being late about quest markers... but in BG's and PS:T they were present... every NPC having a quest or being a part of quest was named instead of being "townperson". So imo removing every mean of tracking quests would be a hell to navigate in crowded places.

An NPC being named is not a quest marker. Named NPCs are an essential part of a RPG setting, Drog. RPG should be not a hide and seek simulator, so named NPCs and journal entries are adequate information for the player to find the quest giver if necessary. The player is using the in-game information available to his character(s). Quest markers are not an in-game information available to the PC.

What kind of RPG setting would consist of 'NPC1', 'NPC2' and so on anyway? By autists, for autists?

 

[Mezebriel]

An NPC being named is not a quest marker.

In infinity engine games you knew npc names without talking to them (so not an in-game information) so it functioned like a quest marker. Named NPC = quest giver. And it looks like well-hidden one.

Named NPCs are an essential part of a RPG setting, Drog. RPG should be not a hide and seek simulator, so named NPCs and journal entries are adequate information for the player to find the quest giver if necessary. The player is using the in-game information available to his character(s). Quest markers are not an in-game information available to the PC.

What kind of RPG setting would consist of 'NPC1', 'NPC2' and so on anyway? By autists, for autists?

And i agree with this part, though i think i wasn't clear earlier.

 

[norolim]

Since he is asking Brother None, I guess Torment.

Oh, then in that case the expenses are $2,972,445 and rising (- Kickstarter and Amazon commission)

 

[DalekFlay]

In infinity engine games you knew npc names without talking to them (so not an in-game information) so it functioned like a quest marker. Named NPC = quest giver. And it looks like well-hidden one.

Or someone involved in another quest giver's quest. I agree it's a relatively good system, I like when towns and cities are padded with random citizens to make them look more busy, populated and real.

 

[Infinitron]

Guess who has criticisms of PB combat? That's right: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3534783&pagenumber=35#post413738038

 

[Gozma]

Doesn't really seem like "PB sux" criticism, but like "PB is hard to design" criticism

I want PB for the selfish reason that I think I can probably field strip and rebuild any regular TB system blindfolded, and since this isn't really a combat/squad tactics game but an adventure game with combat in it I'd just like some variety rather than an attempt at meticulous depth and balance in a single player game with a retarded AI. Basically the JRPG theory of combat system design to be frank.

 

[LeStryfe79]

What he's saying is crap though since a good combat system shouldn't allow one to flawlessly predict everything that will happen during the action. For example, if two characters attack the same enemy, but the first one kills it with a critical hit, I think it's perfectly reasonable that the other character wasted his action. The same goes for if a character dies while someone else is attempting to heal him. Why does Sawyer think it's more realistic if the healer can change his mind instantaneously?

 

[Diablo169]

I'll take phase based over RTWP any day Sawyer.

 

[Jaesun]

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[J_C]

Why does Sawyer think it's more realistic if the healer can change his mind instantaneously?

Because beings capable of logical thinking are like that. They change their minds according to different factors. If I wanted to heal someone, but the character dies in front of my eyes, I wouldn't waste a healing spell on a corpse.