Game News Torment Kickstarter Update #4: Legacies and Cults

[Koschey]

Six Legacies yields a lot of potential for reactivity and choices and consequences. But at this Stretch Goal, we take the system much further. Instead of depending only upon one Tide, your Legacy will be based upon your strongest TWO. This increases the number of Legacies to 11 (ten possible pairs, plus an eleventh for when no two reign supreme).

On rereading this update, I got to think: Wouldn't 16 Legacies be more sensible, so you don't lose the single Tide dependent ones? Consider for the sake of argument two PCs, A and B, where A's Legacy is 100 units in the Gold Tide, 10 in each remaining Tide, and B's Legacy is 100 units in the Silver Tide, 10 in each remaining Tide. As it stands now, neither A nor B has a dominant pair of Tides, so logically both would be assigned the unaligned Legacy. Yet it should be clear by the differences in their Tides that A and B wouldn't, or rather shouldn't, have the same Legacy.
Will there be some kind of mechanism to prevent these extreme cases or how will this be handled, ksaun or CMcC ?

 

[Infinitron]

Such extreme cases would be rather temporary, I would think.

 

[hiver]

I cant see myself going exclusively for one Tide at all. It really depends on situations.
Ill probably, if quest solutions and choices allow it, be all over the place with more or less same number of "points" in at least four tides. Or at least three.

So... what happens in such a case?

 

[tuluse]

I think it would be pretty easy to have some kind of final test/question that breaks any ties near the end of the game.

 

[Excidium]

That would be p. lazy.

 

[Koschey]

Such extreme cases would be rather temporary, I would think.

That doesn't really change that they are possible. And of course the example was pretty simplified, but even in a more general case, where all but the dominant Tide are just around the same order of magnitude instead of exactly the same, the influence of the second-highest Tide would seem too negligible to be considered part of a dominant pair.

I cant see myself going exclusively for one Tide at all. It really depends on situations.
Ill probably, if quest solutions and choices allow it, be all over the place with more or less same number of "points" in at least four tides. Or at least three.

So... what happens in such a case?

That seems to be a prime example for the unaligned Legacy I think.

 

[LeStryfe79]

$2.5 million

 

[hiver]

I cant see myself going exclusively for one Tide at all. It really depends on situations.
Ill probably, if quest solutions and choices allow it, be all over the place with more or less same number of "points" in at least four tides. Or at least three.

So... what happens in such a case?

That seems to be a prime example for the unaligned Legacy I think.

But its not unaligned at all. And it isnt neutral in any way.

Its multi-aligned - actually.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[tuluse]

That would be p. lazy.

Maybe. I didn't mind the "how do you want to end the game" question at the end of Bloodlines.

 

[Excidium]

I didn't mind either, mainly because the entire storyline is completely retarded.

 

[Koschey]

I cant see myself going exclusively for one Tide at all. It really depends on situations.
Ill probably, if quest solutions and choices allow it, be all over the place with more or less same number of "points" in at least four tides. Or at least three.

So... what happens in such a case?

That seems to be a prime example for the unaligned Legacy I think.

But its not unaligned at all. And it isnt neutral in any way.

Its multi-aligned - actually.

Don't be too hung up on the term 'unaligned Legacy', that is just what I called it because it was simply called the eleventh Legacy in the update. But then again, the difference between one guy having all Tides around a value of 10 and another having all Tides around a value of 50 doesn't necessarily mean that the second guy is 5 times as much invested in each Tide as the first guy. It could just as well be that the second guy was 5 times as often forced into a decision between the Tides. Or perhaps the decisions of the second just had more gravitas. Yet both consistently chose equally distributed amongstall Tides.
The way I see it, the values for each Tide are merely an approximation of a characters 'true' alignment, because the concrete values heavily depend on how often a character had to decide between different Tides. The higher the cumulative value of all Tides, the more accurate the approximation is. What's actually important instead is the ratio of the Tides in relation to each other.

Of course, that's all just me guessing based on the information I have. That is why I asked my question in the first place.

 

[Excidium]

 

[hiver]

Of course, that's all just me guessing based on the information I have. That is why I asked my question in the first place.

Sure. It would be nice to know.

Looking forward to more explanation about that system as well as the Castoff Labyrinth and how it is tied to the narrative and the setting.

 

[Harg Harfardarssen]

I think it would be pretty easy to have some kind of final test/question that breaks any ties near the end of the game.

 

[janjetina]

Just one final question (decision) would be too simplistic. There will probably be some huge 'character defining' decisions during the course of the game, that have singificant impact on 'alignment' and if the tides and the choices are well implemented (in terms of consistence), a consistent character would probably have a preference that draws him towards one tide.

 

[kazgar]

Is there a joke here besides the response to Josh's photo? Is it a bad module? I fail lore checks on dragonlance p&p modules.

 

[CMcC]

Is there a joke here besides the response to Josh's photo? Is it a bad module? I fail lore checks on dragonlance p&p modules.

Josh posed for the cover; I wrote the adventure.