I see. So if it doesn't offend YOU, then they are stupid and wrong for censoring it. As long as you're not hurt, no one is hurt. Got it.
You do know there were polls and threads on Obsidian forums where vast majority of people thought there is nothing wrong with the poem and it should not be censored. Im saying I dont care about you or anyone else being offended, grow a fucking pair. Since when did in this society become normal to censor something just because someones feelings got hurt. Do you even realize for what kind of a world you are cheering for, where everything anyone produces will be checked if someones feeling is hurt. Thats why now you have save spaces in collages because new generation cant stand someone saying something they dont like, the fucking horror.
I never said anything about whether or not it's offensive. I don't particularly care. That's not the issue that's worth talking about.
But that explains their reasoning, there is different view on situation based if its offensive or not, saying you dont care is just like saying a motive for a murder is not important.
"I'm right because I'm right and you're wrong because you don't agree." That's cute, but has no place in a sensible argument.
Im right because I use common sense, you think you are right because you are delusional.
Sooooo your assumption is that no one else was asked to change their submission?
My assumption is that noone had their submission forcefully changed, thats what happened with the poem in question
If you found out that there were other submissions that were revised, would you be mad about them too? Or is it just this one?
I would be mad if other submissions were revised because some nutjob on internet asked for Obsidian to change them as said fuck you to the backer.
Hahaha. You really don't see the difference? It's more like trying to prove that a suspect owned the murder weapon or that the suspect was wearing unfashionable clothes that day. One is worth talking about - the other is pretty much incidental. You've already agreed that Obsidian can control the content of their game however they want. Therefore, to continue complaining that they shouldn't have controlled this content is nothing but social injustice warrior garbage. Now, to complain about them lying to their fans - that's worth talking about - but the content of what was censored really doesn't matter.
Jesus Christ there is a difference to approach to the issue if Obsidian thought that the poem was offensive and if it was not. Which I will explain further below.
In other words, if you hate Obsidian and refuse to support them because they don't like transvestite jokes (which is true), you're just a dumbass and a hypocrite.
First the joke is not aimed at the tranny but the guy sleeping with it. Second, again since when did we become a society where people can joke only about people who are the same gender, race and sexual orientation as the comedian. Can you provide a list of what is acceptable to joke about so I know for future reference. And as I said, do you really support a world where content of any work will be change the moment someones feelings are hurt.
If you hate Obsidian and refuse to support them because they lie to their customers (which is completely unproven), that would be a valid reason if you could show that they did it.
That they lied is pretty obvious and ill try to explain to you why.
No. I'm saying you need to give a reason - any reason - to show why you're right. You still don't have one, because apparently there isn't one. "Because I'm right" ("it's common sense!") is not a reason; it's an appeal to your authority - but you have no authority.
I gave you enough reasons to which your comment was "I believe in Obsidian because they would never lie to me!"
They admitted that they controlled their content. This was never in dispute - but it's not worth talking about, and anyway you already agreed that that's okay.
Its ok to control content of your product but what, why and how is the problem here.
Why don't their actions make sense? They make perfect sense. Please show where their explanation falls apart.
As for it "being obvious" that they lied, that's just another way of saying there's no evidence. You may also think it's obvious that Santa Claus exists, but I have bad news for you.
This is getting boring. You're saying less and less with each post, hiding behind "common sense" as the justification for everything you don't have an answer to.
Ill try to explain this in detail for 10 times already, please pay attention this time and try not only to say "Obsidian would never lie!"
OK this is what we know for certain:
1. Someone found a backer poem offensive and contacted the Obsidian.
2. Obsidian announces that they are changing the poem.
3. Obsidian releases press release after fans outcry for changing the poem that they immediately contacted the backer and told him about the controversy and while they didnt want to change it he did.
4. Backer commented on forums that he changed the poem to help out Obsidian but was disappointed because he preferred the old one.
5. Obsidian makes a statement that the poem became part of the game only because they missed it while vetting.
Now lets say you are right and only thing that matters is if Obsidian and noone else found the poem offensive or not.
Lets say that the poem is offensive but lets also say its not about tranny joke, because I cant take seriously that its offensive, and replace it with a message "Kill all Jews" something that we both can agree its offensive.
Now someone finds this in game and contacts Obsidian. Obsidian decide to change it and they release a press release saying they are sorry, they missed it while vetting and that it would never happen otherwise. Thats what Obsidian said in their last statement.
Now look at the first official statement, they said they didnt want to change it but did after they asked the backer and he decided to change it. So tell me if you are owner of a company who release a game containing message "KIll all Jews", would you pull it back immediately and apologize or would you say that you personally have no problem with it and decide to ask backer will he remove it, and if he says no you would let it stay in? Also the backer said that they asked him to change the poem not because they found it offensive but because its making problems for them. So he changed it because he wanted to help Obsidian.
Do you see how this is a problem. First and last statement contradicts each other completely. If they found the poem as offensive as they say it was in the last they would pull it immediately and not ask for permission.
Seeing this common sense will tell you that Obsidian didnt see the poem offensive but unoffensive but decided to change it for different reasons.
Now lets imagine situation where Obsidian thinks that poem is unoffensive.
An idiot finds the poem offensive. You said that you are sure that that person had no ulterior motives. Yet that same person post on twitter on hashtag Killallwhiteman of Killallman (something like that), instead of personally contacting Obsidian to ask about the something he found offensive that person puts Obsidian on spotlight, twitting to everyone, accusing Obsidian of being sexist and demanding the change. That person still was offended even with the new poem but didnt want to push his luck because he thought one victory is enough. You find this person normal, yet I see him as completely insane and delusional individual without any grasp on the real world, so I pretty much understand why you would find him normal.
You say Obsidian had no reason to fear bad publicity. So you have been living under a rock all this time if you dont know extent of SJWs influence in gaming media and all shit that did recently. So is it really hard to understand that Obsidian is a company that just recently had a brush with bankruptcy for God knows which time now and that they put all their hope in this project is actually weary of stepping on SJWs toes or doing anything that could harm their sales, sales which might save or destroy their company.
The both first statement and info from the backer make complete sense if you approach them thinking Obsidian didnt find if offensive but wanted to change it because they feared bad publicity. Hell even their last statement makes sense in a way to make sure SJWs are appeased with what they did.
I actually understand their decision, you can think what Obsidian did was smart or even something they needed to do, they sacrificed a shitty poem to save themselves from a possible massive negative outcry, atlest thats their reasoning.
But you cant say what they did was morally right, to cave in to demands of few lunatics while shitting on fans who supported and made their game possible.
You can say end justifies the means that this will mean more Obsidian games you like and it only cost was a shitty poem. But I also can say I dont agree with that and I refuse to support them, maybe to many I am unreasonable but that is my decision to make.
