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BLOBERT said:BRO TOPHER DONT BE SCARED BROFIST WITH PRIDE
...and from this day forth I shall my bro, I shall.
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BLOBERT said:BRO TOPHER DONT BE SCARED BROFIST WITH PRIDE
Grunker said:Commie said:Idiotic is you taking it up the arse from these companies.
I 'demo' most of my games, and only buy the ones I consider quality-product after a full playthrough. So I'm not really taking it up the ass (only when I like it, big boy).
May I ask you how you and DamnedRegistrations got these clairvoyant insights into the production-plans of these companies? See, my description is pretty standard, but yours is not, so you must have some extra knowledge, and I'm curious as to how you acquired it.
No, no they don't.DraQ said:That's where your fantasy world and the real one ultimately diverge.Lumpy said:It is. It's their content, and they're allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with it. If removing it leaves the original game crippled, then the original game becomes shitty and people don't buy it.commie said:Oh and asking for companies to include content that was originally meant to be in the initial release of the game and not sold separately is not being idiotic.
That's strange. We have DLCs for some time now but i must have missed all those games better thanks to DLCs. Care to point me in the right direction ?DLC can also lead to better, cheaper games.**
How do you know Dragon Age wasn't better thanks to DLC?Serus said:That's strange. We have DLCs for some time now but i must have missed all those games better thanks to DLCs. Care to point me in the right direction ?DLC can also lead to better, cheaper games.**
Lumpy said:How do you know Dragon Age wasn't better thanks to DLC?Serus said:That's strange. We have DLCs for some time now but i must have missed all those games better thanks to DLCs. Care to point me in the right direction ?DLC can also lead to better, cheaper games.**
Lumpy said:No, no they don't.DraQ said:That's where your fantasy world and the real one ultimately diverge.Lumpy said:It is. It's their content, and they're allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with it. If removing it leaves the original game crippled, then the original game becomes shitty and people don't buy it.commie said:Oh and asking for companies to include content that was originally meant to be in the initial release of the game and not sold separately is not being idiotic.
In fact, fuck this. Let's synthesize our arguments:
Me: Developers are allowed to do anything with the content they create. They can package it however they want, and release it in any way. Releasing it in a bad way will lower the quality of the game, leading to less sales (Yes, bad games sell less*). DLC can also lead to better, cheaper games.**
You: Developers are under a moral obligation to release everything they have created up to the release day together with the game. In fact, even content that is created after the game is released should be released for free - or at the very least, in bigger groups, as expansions.
*No, I'm not saying that bad games sell less than good games - a lot of good games go unnoticed while shitty games thrive. I'm saying that a particular game, having been hyped to some degree before release, will sell more if it's actually good, than if it's a piece of shit.
**Assuming that additional budget improves the quality of a given game. DLC allows market segmenting or whatever that maths guy called it. The normal blokes pay the normal price for 95% of the content. They're happy because they play a full game for a decent price. The rich blokes who loved the game, pay 25% extra for the other 5% of the content. They're happy because they don't care about money, and they get more of the game they love.
Because of course, the revenues from the DLC aren't simply the merit of the DLC team - it's the original game that made people willing to pay - the DLC will sell proportionally to how well liked the original game was, not how awesome the horse armor is designed.
How do you know it was ? It is your claim, the burden of proof is on you. Do i really need to explain basic concepts like that ?Lumpy said:How do you know Dragon Age wasn't better thanks to DLC?Serus said:That's strange. We have DLCs for some time now but i must have missed all those games better thanks to DLCs. Care to point me in the right direction ?DLC can also lead to better, cheaper games.**
Because my point was that DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better. Of course, it's impossible to measure that the game was better because of DLC, but it's logical that it should be.Serus said:How do you know it was ? It is your claim, the burden of proof is on you. Do i really need to explain basic concepts like that ?Lumpy said:How do you know Dragon Age wasn't better thanks to DLC?Serus said:That's strange. We have DLCs for some time now but i must have missed all those games better thanks to DLCs. Care to point me in the right direction ?DLC can also lead to better, cheaper games.**
Also, what kanenas said.
Lumpy said:Because my point was that DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better. Of course, it's impossible to measure that the game was better because of DLC, but it's logical that it should be.
Because budget is such a great predictor of quality, isn't itLumpy said:DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better
Because my point was that DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better. Of course, it's impossible to measure that the game was better because of DLC, but it's logical that it should be.
So following that logic, wouldn't the ultimate evolution of DLC be an expansion pack?Lumpy said:Because my point was that DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better. Of course, it's impossible to measure that the game was better because of DLC, but it's logical that it should be.
No, because any given game would have been better with a bigger budget.Tycn said:Because budget is such a great predictor of quality, isn't itLumpy said:DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better
Lumpy said:No, because any given game would have been better with a bigger budget.Tycn said:Because budget is such a great predictor of quality, isn't itLumpy said:DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better
Lumpy said:Because my point was that DLC brings greater revenues, and thus games have bigger budgets, so they are better.