Vault Dweller said:
What's with "selective quoting" crap, Sceptic? I've quoted what you said. You can either ignore my post or address my comments.
I don't know what it is wit the selective quoting crap. You tell me, since this you just did it AGAIN by conveniently leaving out the relevant paragraph. But whatever, I really don't want to go into an argument about quoting and I want to keep this as civilized as possible*. That paragraph you overlooked was my own counterpoint to my point, in a way, hence the example of the Larian interview, where they
could handle criticism and offer reasonable discussion for why they did this or that and why it was or wasn't a good idea. And if Larian can, why not other developers? (yes I know you've already answered this, but I was rephrasing my earlier point here)
First, Pete never posted here, so it's not the issue that we're discussing. We're talking about developers who used to post and the overall atmosphere (i.e. whether or not it encourages discussions and exchange of ideas).
I think it's very related to the issue at hand. First, ARE all deveopers only interested in an atmosphere that encourages discussions and exchange of ideas? You seem to think at least most do, I don't think that. Second, do developers feel that an environement where they can be called liars is an atmosphere they want to be part of? Sure you can say it was true and proven, and I fully agree. But that's not the point, the point is, is it insulting? You could argue that it's not because it was true, but fact is, being called a liar
is insulting. Pete himself never posted, but other Bethesda guys who did might've been gently (or not so gently) told not to post (at least as "official" Bethesda representatives) on the 'dex, or they might've simply decided that being called liars themselves was something to avoid at all costs.
Now I'm not saying that's the reason they all left (feel free to call me a flip-flopper over my previous, harsher position) but unless I can see a particular thread that made them leave for another reason I don't see why that's not a highly likely reason.
I hope that much is clear.
Absolutely, and I never claimed you said otherwise. (if I seemed to imply it then my bad)
Gaider left not because of Warden but because he was called fat piece of shit, told to shut up, called pathetic, retarded, and such. Most of it was in a thread that had nothing to do with games he worked on.
I'm a bit torn about this. On the one hand, if it was a typical GD thread, then Gaider should've known better, and he wasn't treated any differently than people treat each other in GD (not that I think that's good, but then there's a reason I stay away from such threads) and I'm tempted to think "he should've stayed out of GD in the first place if he wasn't prepared for that kind of shit-flinging". But if he was singled-out for abuse because he was a developer, or if it was in response to a GRPG or GG thread, then that's pretty sad. Out of curiosity, do you have a link to that thread, or remember what it was about so I can search for it?
* I like you, VD. I really do, sometimes against my better judgement and even if some of your posts make me go completely
. But I have to admit you really rile me up sometimes, without even trying. I think you're the only poster in this place who can do this too, I don't know how you do it so effortlessly. Part of me rages when that happens even as the other is in awe.