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Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

Ziggy

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So this is only a big deal because it's a homosexual encounter? If it was a heterosexual encounter, you wouldn't mind?
didnt quote the part about homosexuality from your first post on purpose, because yes, I would still mind it, as your crewmate just waltzes in and starts undressing
it does make sense for sailors to be all Sex Perverts on you all the time (like Maia says at some point, "the only rule below deck is to keep it interesting") and i mostly commented because it still created a funny moment, just not necessarily in the intended way, but it's still off-putting, and i much preferred subdued New Vegas approach to sexuality
 

SophosTheWise

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So this is only a big deal because it's a homosexual encounter? If it was a heterosexual encounter, you wouldn't mind?
didnt quote the part about homosexuality from your first post on purpose, because yes, I would still mind it, as your crewmate just waltzes in and starts undressing
it does make sense for sailors to be all Sex Perverts on you all the time (like Maia says at some point, "the only rule below deck is to keep it interesting") and i mostly commented because it still created a funny moment, just not necessarily in the intended way, but it's still off-putting, and i much preferred subdued New Vegas approach to sexuality

I can definitely understand that approach, but still, it's kind of not a big deal because you can still decide to not interact. Sure, you're free to not like it, absolutely. But there are definitely bigger issues with the game than sexuality.

It's just baffling to me how some people cry about liberals needing safe spaces but then they are so easily offended by homosexuality in their supposed safe spaces i.E. games. Some of you need a trigger warning, apparently.

People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.
I'm not. I don't care about any gay transsexual personally. I'm disgusted by SJW's.

You need a good Lacanian psychoanalysis, my friend. Your repressed sexuality makes you sad. Also, do you need a safe space, free from sexuality? Poor snowflake, you.
 

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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.

Oh, gee, I thought this couldn't get anymore homophobic
Deviancy doesn't have an inherently negative connotation, it simply describes a divergence from social norms. Who defines these social norms is a question for the philosophers, though. Why self-proclaimed non-homophobes are against gays in games is a difficult question to answer, it's very easy to go the "it's social pressure!" angle, but that's too easy and fails to explain a complex interweaving of issues and reasons. They will protest that the problem is not the gays, but the agenda-pushing and always fail to define what that agenda is, how it is being pushed and to what end. And it might be true, it might not be the gays, but some kind of knee-jerk reactionary action by "allying" themselves with the "anti-SJW" crowd, failing to realize that both "SJWs" and "anti-SJWs" are equally impotent in this matter.

The ratio of queer talk to sum total of words in this thread is higher than in Deadfire. Clearly, there is pleasure to be had in 'outrage' and 'disgust' (*wink, wink*).

In this context, outrage, disgust and pleasure are the same thing.
 
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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.
I'm not. I don't care about any gay transsexual personally. I'm disgusted by SJW's.

You need a good Lacanian psychoanalysis, my friend. Your repressed sexuality makes you sad. Also, do you need a safe space, free from sexuality? Poor snowflake, you.
Wat? How do I have any repressed sexuality when I just said that I am not disgusted by homos and such? Are you retadred?
By that logic, you need your psychoanalysis yourself, mongo!
 

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So this is only a big deal because it's a homosexual encounter? If it was a heterosexual encounter, you wouldn't mind?
didnt quote the part about homosexuality from your first post on purpose, because yes, I would still mind it, as your crewmate just waltzes in and starts undressing
it does make sense for sailors to be all Sex Perverts on you all the time (like Maia says at some point, "the only rule below deck is to keep it interesting") and i mostly commented because it still created a funny moment, just not necessarily in the intended way, but it's still off-putting, and i much preferred subdued New Vegas approach to sexuality

I can definitely understand that approach, but still, it's kind of not a big deal because you can still decide to not interact. Sure, you're free to not like it, absolutely. But there are definitely bigger issues with the game than sexuality.

It's just baffling to me how some people cry about liberals needing safe spaces but then they are so easily offended by homosexuality in their supposed safe spaces i.E. games. Some of you need a trigger warning, apparently.

People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.
I'm not. I don't care about any gay transsexual personally. I'm disgusted by SJW's.

You need a good Lacanian psychoanalysis, my friend. Your repressed sexuality makes you sad. Also, do you need a safe space, free from sexuality? Poor snowflake, you.
Nigga half of obsdian writers are problematic population
 

Ziggy

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finished the game and there were zero repercussions for giving the souls to Woedica in the first game. is that a reactivity bug or low budget or what the fuck. and got basically nothing for being a Skaen priest other than some dumfucks in the middle of nowhere recognized me and gave me a Summon Effigy item that i tried out once and it was okay and then i noticed it was one time use. thanks Skaen
 

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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.
I'm not. I don't care about any gay transsexual personally. I'm disgusted by SJW's.

You need a good Lacanian psychoanalysis, my friend. Your repressed sexuality makes you sad. Also, do you need a safe space, free from sexuality? Poor snowflake, you.
Wat? How do I have any repressed sexuality when I just said that I am not disgusted by homos and such? Are you retadred?
By that logic, you need your psychoanalysis yourself, mongo!
Oh, my apologies, misread your post. But you still could profit from a good Lacanian psychoanalysis.
 

Iskramor

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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.

Oh, gee, I thought this couldn't get anymore homophobic
Deviancy doesn't have an inherently negative connotation, it simply describes a divergence from social norms. Who defines these social norms is a question for the philosophers, though. Why self-proclaimed non-homophobes are against gays in games is a difficult question to answer, it's very easy to go the "it's social pressure!" angle, but that's too easy and fails to explain a complex interweaving of issues and reasons. They will protest that the problem is not the gays, but the agenda-pushing and always fail to define what that agenda is, how it is being pushed and to what end. And it might be true, it might not be the gays, but some kind of knee-jerk reactionary action by "allying" themselves with the "anti-SJW" crowd, failing to realize that both "SJWs" and "anti-SJWs" are equally impotent in this matter.

The ratio of queer talk to sum total of words in this thread is higher than in Deadfire. Clearly, there is pleasure to be had in 'outrage' and 'disgust' (*wink, wink*).

In this context, outrage, disgust and pleasure are the same thing.
Obsidian writers are left-wings and they have inheritly pro homo agenda its not that difficult to grasp ffs.
 

SophosTheWise

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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.

Oh, gee, I thought this couldn't get anymore homophobic
Deviancy doesn't have an inherently negative connotation, it simply describes a divergence from social norms. Who defines these social norms is a question for the philosophers, though. Why self-proclaimed non-homophobes are against gays in games is a difficult question to answer, it's very easy to go the "it's social pressure!" angle, but that's too easy and fails to explain a complex interweaving of issues and reasons. They will protest that the problem is not the gays, but the agenda-pushing and always fail to define what that agenda is, how it is being pushed and to what end. And it might be true, it might not be the gays, but some kind of knee-jerk reactionary action by "allying" themselves with the "anti-SJW" crowd, failing to realize that both "SJWs" and "anti-SJWs" are equally impotent in this matter.

The ratio of queer talk to sum total of words in this thread is higher than in Deadfire. Clearly, there is pleasure to be had in 'outrage' and 'disgust' (*wink, wink*).

In this context, outrage, disgust and pleasure are the same thing.
Obsidian writers are left-wings and they have inheritly pro homo agenda its not that difficult to grasp ffs.
What does "pro homo agenda" even mean? The agenda that it's actually okay to be gay? I'd argue you're much more ideological than Obsidian will ever be.
 
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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.
I'm not. I don't care about any gay transsexual personally. I'm disgusted by SJW's.

You need a good Lacanian psychoanalysis, my friend. Your repressed sexuality makes you sad. Also, do you need a safe space, free from sexuality? Poor snowflake, you.
Wat? How do I have any repressed sexuality when I just said that I am not disgusted by homos and such? Are you retadred?
By that logic, you need your psychoanalysis yourself, mongo!
Oh, my apologies, misread your post.
No problem.

But you still could profit from a good Lacanian psychoanalysis.
Fuck you!
 

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finished the game and there were zero repercussions for giving the souls to Woedica in the first game. is that a reactivity bug or low budget or what the fuck. and got basically nothing for being a Skaen priest other than some dumfucks in the middle of nowhere recognized me and gave me a Summon Effigy item that i tried out once and it was okay and then i noticed it was one time use. thanks Skaen

I was surprised
Woedica doesn't even give you a nod in the dialogue. Or doing something to deal with the Woedica groups. Or letting you take the soulbound mace without a Resolve check.
Skaen's item I got simply because I was cruel now/sacrificed someone to the blood pool in PoE1.
The imports weren't nearly as impactful as I hoped, even cosmetics.
The ending itself was pretty disappointing. Couldn't manage to convince Eothas to nuke everything, and the "ending" slides are vague as hell for all other.
 

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MCA Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Codex USB, 2014 Divinity: Original Sin 2
New all-time peak number!
d46EEHa.png

It's still got a ways to go. Today's peak will be about 5 hours from now.

Next: Wait till Tuesday's patch!
Followed by: Wait till post-patch weekend!
 

Iskramor

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People are disgusted by sexual deviants, just let it go.

Oh, gee, I thought this couldn't get anymore homophobic
Deviancy doesn't have an inherently negative connotation, it simply describes a divergence from social norms. Who defines these social norms is a question for the philosophers, though. Why self-proclaimed non-homophobes are against gays in games is a difficult question to answer, it's very easy to go the "it's social pressure!" angle, but that's too easy and fails to explain a complex interweaving of issues and reasons. They will protest that the problem is not the gays, but the agenda-pushing and always fail to define what that agenda is, how it is being pushed and to what end. And it might be true, it might not be the gays, but some kind of knee-jerk reactionary action by "allying" themselves with the "anti-SJW" crowd, failing to realize that both "SJWs" and "anti-SJWs" are equally impotent in this matter.

The ratio of queer talk to sum total of words in this thread is higher than in Deadfire. Clearly, there is pleasure to be had in 'outrage' and 'disgust' (*wink, wink*).

In this context, outrage, disgust and pleasure are the same thing.
Obsidian writers are left-wings and they have inheritly pro homo agenda its not that difficult to grasp ffs.
What does "pro homo agenda" even mean? The agenda that it's actually okay to be gay? I'd argue you're much more ideological than Obsidian will ever be.

Obsidian is not ideological they just hired snowflakes as writers. Pro homo means that they are pro homosexual. Those writers cant restrain themself and are pushing their OWN agenda into video game. Best example are songs and lyrics from bathory despite quorthon not being nordic/scandinavian neo-pagan/nationalist he wrote and sing about scandinavian mythology.
 

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PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath
The addition of silliness is entirely intentional and frankly more in line with the spirit of Baldur's Gate:


But Baldur's Gate had Gen X-style nerd humor (think Monty Python references) whereas PoE2 has millennial squeeing that makes Codexers nervous
I entirely agree, and don't mind BG style silliness. But Baldur's Gate never tried to be neither as pretentious nor as vulgar simultaneously, as Deadfire's writing is trying to be.

I mean at some point you have to decide: are you going to be about how the universe is entangled in cosmic acceptance, and gourds are crumbling inwards, OR about glorious holes, OR somewhere in between. Because doing both at the same time is madness.

Also, a hidden, "honest" point I would have added to that slide while Josh isn't looking:
  • When you know your writing team is weak, but your game has to have some writing, at least try to make it as little as you can get away with.
 
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Codex Year of the Donut Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
New all-time peak number!
d46EEHa.png

It's still got a ways to go. Today's peak will be about 5 hours from now.

Next: Wait till Tuesday's patch!
Followed by: Wait till post-patch weekend!

Nope. I think if it doesn't reach at least 26k tomorrow then that's legitimately bad (while still being way better than Tyranny mind you).

In no case would this "kill Obsidian" though, just the PoE series as we know it. Obsidian has a publisher-funded AAA game led by Tim Cain on its hands and is going nowhere.
 

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enjoying it so far but i really wish they stopped shoving metaphysics into every single character in this game

like that pirate lady suddenly starting to talk about the meaning of no longer existing when she invades the palace wtf
 

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It does indeed feel like nobody has a personality outside of talking about the gods in this setting, it's really disturbing and artificial.



the thing is, homosexuality is not a paraphilia.

Given that paraphilia is very vaguely defined, it can be used like that as a scaremongering tactic. This is one area where the hard sciences are powerless and, while they do say "homosexuality is a normal variant", they really can't shift the perception in any direction, it's up to the philosophers.
 
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Ziggy

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The imports weren't nearly as impactful as I hoped, even cosmetics.
well Rymgrand got real pissy at me because i promised him those souls and then gave em to Woedica, yelled a bunch then gave a curse -2 might -2 resolve that lasted more than one rest, maybe around in-game month
apparently if you promise souls to Hylea and then dont give em, your ship is constantly covered in bird shit
Gods doing nothing for you when you help em and getting pissed when you dont is somewhat inline with the narrative
 

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The Codex: 'shekels ruined CRPGs, commercialism is the harbinger of pure decline, sales are inversely proportional to quality'.

Also the Codex: 'lulz, look at the Steam global charts, Deadfire is a complete flop, proof positive that it's shit and that Obsidian needs to die'.
 

GrainWetski

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The Codex: 'shekels ruined CRPGs, commercialism is the harbinger of pure decline, sales are inversely proportional to quality'.

Also the Codex: 'lulz, look at the Steam global charts, Deadfire is a complete flop, proof positive that it's shit and that Obsidian needs to die'.
Almost like there's more than 1 person on here.
 

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