PC Gamer, good trolls or best trolls?

[sea]

How does Neverwinter improve on that?

By slipping PC Gamer a cheque in the mail along with the review copy.

 

[suejak]

I guess it's easier to make stupid jokes than read the article. Fair enough.

 

[roll-a-die]

Suejak I don't have the article nor do I particularly want to go out and find a copy of PC Gamer.

 

[Minttunator]

Has anybody actually read the article? How do they justify Neverwinter being the first true D&D game? Maybe it's just a trick to get people to buy the mag to see what the hell they're on about.

 

[waywardOne]

I'll be at the airport tomorrow. I'll mortgage my house and pick up a copy.

 

[Data4]

The last time PC Gamer was any good, Neil Manke was making Coconut Monkey Quake 2 levels for their CDs.

 

[Ulminati]

The last time PC Gamer was any good, Neil Manke was making Coconut Monkey Quake 2 levels for their CDs.

Wait, we're talking the US PCG and not the UK one?

Well, in that case it was always shit.

 

[Carrion]

I never read the US one, but in the late 90's I occasionally read and even briefly subscribed to the Finnish PC Gamer, which was mostly based on the UK version. In retrospect it was pretty reliable (almost all of the games that scored over 90% have later gained a classic status as far as I remember), it had cool demo CDs, and at the back of every magazine there was a TOP 5 list of the best games in every genre including short descriptions that told me that Thief was awesome and everyone should play Grim Fandango. It never really went into in-depth analysis about anything (at most you got six pages about a subject, with two thirds of that being pictures), but it was fun to read and you rarely went wrong if you bought a game based on their reviews. Except for one prestigious magazine, I can't say that about any gaming media today.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

PCZone was a mag for kings.

 

[Turjan]

Well, the woman on the cover still looks quite similar.

They used "first" in their tagline, but obviously forgot "true".

 

[taxalot]

The woman in this box manages to be incredibly sexy without showing a lot of skin and sporting a realistic armour. This is where current media needs to learn from.

About Neverwinter, my expectations are absolutely zero on it. At least, it will apparently be a FreeToPlay game with people being able to design their own modules (to what scripting extent ?). On the paper, it sounds promising. But we all know how this is going to turn out.

 

[Primordial Soup Nazi]

PC Gamer used to be great, they had talented writers, but they progressively left to be slowly replaced with interns. When Greg Vederman left, the last of the old guard, the magazine became more or less useless. The gradual drop in quality from old school, educated DOS gamers who liked wargames, flight simulators and had journalistic integrity over to the excitable do the dew crowd indistinguishable from the likes of Kotaku was pretty dramatic.

I actually miss that guy, he was into a lot of the fratboy type of humor that the likes of Kotaku and Joystiq still thrive by, but he was serious and dedicated and always self-depreciating. I understand why he left the industry altogether.

Cleve has the right words when he compared past generations to the current one in his Grimoire interview.

The Vede was a hip cat, and you're spot-on about his departure sticking the final nail the rag's coffin. His Arcanum review actually influenced my decision to purchase it (and unlike their ratings nowadays, it was a well-deserved 90something%).

 

[Volourn]

"They fucked that up somewhere in design, though."

No, they didn't. The DMC works perfectly fine, you dumb shit.

 

[mediocrepoet]

The woman in this box manages to be incredibly sexy without showing a lot of skin and sporting a realistic armour. This is where current media needs to learn from.

This, you can have sexy fantasy armour without having it look ridiculous or have the armour be completely impractical. She could have some gauntlets or something but I don't know that anyone's getting excited by her bare hands.

 

[Excidium]

HEY GUISE PC GAMU WROTE SOMETHING DUM

Jesus Christ.

The woman in this box manages to be incredibly sexy without showing a lot of skin and sporting a realistic armour. This is where current media needs to learn from.

What

 

[suejak]

Wait, her giant boob armour is realistic?

 

[Excidium]

It's realistic like her scalemail yoga pants.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

PC Gamer used to be great, they had talented writers, but they progressively left to be slowly replaced with interns. When Greg Vederman left, the last of the old guard, the magazine became more or less useless. The gradual drop in quality from old school, educated DOS gamers who liked wargames, flight simulators and had journalistic integrity over to the excitable do the dew crowd indistinguishable from the likes of Kotaku was pretty dramatic.

I actually miss that guy, he was into a lot of the fratboy type of humor that the likes of Kotaku and Joystiq still thrive by, but he was serious and dedicated and always self-depreciating. I understand why he left the industry altogether.

Cleve has the right words when he compared past generations to the current one in his Grimoire interview.

The Vede was a hip cat, and you're spot-on about his departure sticking the final nail the rag's coffin. His Arcanum review actually influenced my decision to purchase it (and unlike their ratings nowadays, it was a well-deserved 90something%).

Yeah, I can't stand the pea brained Bay Area hipsters we have nowadays instead of the sympathetic, unassuming yet uncompromising and professional nerds like us from the older days.

And you're right that then PC Gamer scores were accurate, you could really trust them and they weren't afraid to give execrable games the score they deserved. It seems so long ago now.

 

[Excidium]

The next one is probably know to any twenty-something Brazilian CRPG fan and might be the path from which they knew CRPGs:

http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1250109530-00.jpg


I still have the original Fallout 2 CD, even today.




That last mag is probably the reason I'm today posting on the RPGCodex.




So you know who to blamethank now...

Oh man...

That's the edition that got me into CRPGs too.

 

[GueulEclator]

What PC gamer is all about now...

Not to mention the constant BoringLandZ II Cocksucking.

The day I see PC Gamer Put a game Like Chivalry Medieval Warfare/Mount and Blade/Legend of E... on the front cover, the Day I resume my subscription. Until then, their just but a parody of other console Douchefags magazine

 

[argan]

I have some UK issues, and a lot of issues from the Swedish version. The Swedish version was actually very good around 97-02, but then the quality started decreasing. Not sure why; it feels like the magazine first started out with the "journalists" nothing more than 18-year old (which I believe they actually were) gamers, but now it's more like a profession.

 

[suejak]

When the hell has PC Gamer ever put a niche, cult game on the cover?

 

[Humanity has risen!]

When the hell has PC Gamer ever put a niche, cult game on the cover?

There was a time when games like Falcon 4.0 did get such treatment.

 

[Primordial Soup Nazi]

The next one is probably know to any twenty-something Brazilian CRPG fan and might be the path from which they knew CRPGs:

I still have the original Fallout 2 CD, even today.

Speaking of PC Gamer & Fallout, I remember playing that proto-Junktown Fallout demo (which, in contrast to today's demos, came out before the game was released in its complete splendor) on one of the mag's discs; that demo really opened my eyes to the virtues of PC games instead of console garbage (which had been my only real rpg exposure, at that point; I was barely a teenager when Fallout was released). I owe much to the PC Gamer demo discs of yesteryearmillenium.

And holy shit, some of those issues were thick enough to club baby AND adult seals.

 

[argan]

When the hell has PC Gamer ever put a niche, cult game on the cover?

Considering that PC Gamer here started in 96, no "older" games were put on the cover, but on the top of my mind:

Fallout
Diablo (I don't like it, but it's a cult game now)
Dungeon Keeper
Syndicate Wars

To be fair, the quality of games in general has deteriorated to the point where the act of putting a "new" game on the cover equals putting any generic action-RPG/FPS/whatever game on the cover. Once, Fallout was considered "new and exciting" even in the gaming media, but now even the idea of something turn-based would probably make a lot of "gamers" think "Turn-based? What the fuck is that?".

 

[Luzur]

Yeah, back when it first came out, PCG was the shit. Big, thick mag for the PC master race with all the proper disdain for console gaming. Now it's just a magazine by douchebags for douchebags.

before that Datamagazinet was the boss.