Company News Paradox has acquired White Wolf and the World of Darkness IP, including Vampire: The Masquerade

[Ismaul]

If a game designer (or writer, movie director etc.) puts racists, sociopaths, serial killers, prostitutes, pimps etc. in his game, it in no way means he endorses any of those life styles/personalities/actions, he's just telling a story which has all sorts of characters in it.

When designing a game world a certain degree of logic and consistency is required

Can't have that. Because then the designer/writer would be glorifying and perpetuating a way of being, a culture that is wrong, don't you see?

A SJW-approved game has only one type of character: SJWs.


A world in their image. They would think themselves gods.

 

[Lightsinthesky]

Oh no, you can have people other than SJWs. Problematic bigots who get to do a little bit of sinning before being caught so that the SJW hero can comfort the pitiful victim and unleash hideously disproportionate punishment upon the cishetwhitemale even after he's tied up and unconscious.

 

[Ismaul]

Right! What was I thinking? Every work of fiction needs its antagonist: the mild mannered non-SJW everyday man who has to learn SJWism to get on the right path.

You can spot this creature when he tries to say things like: "I'm not a racist, but..." "I'm not a woman, but..." "I don't have anything against religions, but..."

How dares he have an opinion?

 

[Delterius]

They were cartoonishly overdone, but seduction and sexuality are part of the deal with the whole vampire mythos, aren't they?

Its not just that. Overt sexualization is a part of these urban undead mythos because it, together with being undead, adds to the loss of their humanity, of their dignity. Which is why it is so common for tragic, depressing characters to also be sex workers. Velvet Velour is like that, she's about the only genuinely kind vampire in LA and everything from the way she speaks, to what she's willing to share about her past, to her quests and, especially, Vesuvius' theme song point to someone devastated by the vampiric curse. But unlike Ash's unbearable emo or Jeanette's bravado, she only/actually lets her brokenness seep through.

In fact, the sex worker is even more than just themselves. They are used by all kinda of fiction to depict the society's underbelly and to denounce its cruelty in using and then discarding people. Though that's not really something that Vampire gets into -- all vampires are empowered, no matter how tragic they may seem -- what creature other than a dead body can better talk about objectification?

If anything, in this day and age we could have those same themes lived by male as well as female characters. Which would be bound to make Jaesun happy, what with the occasional hunk, but alas. The word these days is to hide ugliness from our eyes.

 

[Caconym]

Torment: Promethean needs to fuckin happen now. No better setting and characters to tell a Torment story with. You paying attention, MCA&bros?

 

[ZagorTeNej]

You can kill him. If you move very fast into that observatory (?), there's one place where he can't get to you, so you can kill him with ranged attacks. He can only soak so much, and eventually dies. Tons of HP though. I don't remember what I've used with my Malk char, but it's definitely doable.

Red Talons would gladly attack humans. Also BSD. But we were talking about Dark Ages open world game, and there were no Imbued in DA, IIRC.

No, you can't, not in vanilla. If you're using Wesp patch you can which kinda fucks up the whole scenario for me. I've always loved how in Bloodlines by the time you're an absolute killing machine that can effortlessly dismantle whole groups of enemies suddenly the game slaps you hard and pits you against an invincible monster forcing you to play run and bait game.

There's nothing wrong with the game showcasing that there is indeed something more powerful out there in the world than your chosen one protagonist.

 

[Delterius]

No, you can't, not in vanilla. If you're using Wesp patch you can which kinda fucks up the whole scenario for me. I've always loved how in Bloodlines by the time you're an absolute killing machine that can effortlessly dismantle whole groups of enemies suddenly the game slaps you hard and pits you against an invincible monster forcing you to play run and bait game.

I only played recently, but from what I hear the official patches themselves also restore content. People who played Bloodlines way back when ended up missing a lot of things they don't even know exist. Raapys on shoutbox swears LaCroix Tower had nothing to it. Could that be the case?

 

[hivemind]

If you're using Wesp patch

Why would you ever play without the Wesp patch tho?

 

[Stainless Veteran]

No, you can't, not in vanilla. If you're using Wesp patch you can which kinda fucks up the whole scenario for me. I've always loved how in Bloodlines by the time you're an absolute killing machine that can effortlessly dismantle whole groups of enemies suddenly the game slaps you hard and pits you against an invincible monster forcing you to play run and bait game.

There's nothing wrong with the game showcasing that there is indeed something more powerful out there in the world than your chosen one protagonist.

I honestly don't remember whether I killed him when I first played the game or not. The thing I remembered the most is that after the fight with that Inquisitor, game fucking hung on me, and I needed to use a console command to force it to transition. After initial release I played only with Wesp's patches (mate's a saint), and beat the game three or four times, so it's kind of a blur what was in original release and what wasn't.

 

[Havoc]

Abusing bugs and exploits is not what I consider part of the game. Just like people that would kill Drizzt in Bg1 using summons that he would not attack and then just stand there.

So let me rephrase myself, you were not meant to kill him. It was not part of design because in Lore, average Garou is almost unkillable by average Vampire and in this case you were not even prepared.
So a game in same world where you travel around and murder them here and there all the time would be stupid.

What? Are you just stupid or don't know what are you talking about?

 

[SCO]

He's just a troll, avoid or engage as thou wilt.

 

[Roguey]

So Romero is your case that the devs hate women but love men? He's a stupid meathead dudebro stereotype just like Jeanette is a stupid slutty bitch stereotype. He's proof that the devs aren't (only) picking on women. Or do you seriously believe that he's presented as a role model?

Yeah but your argument that the game is mysoginistic rests on the same belief, it's a retarded approach to reviewing (and/or experiencing) and type of creative work. If a game designer (or writer, movie director etc.) puts racists, sociopaths, serial killers, prostitutes, pimps etc. in his game, it in no way means he endorses any of those life styles/personalities/actions, he's just telling a story which has all sorts of characters in it.

When designing a game world a certain degree of logic and consistency is required, especially when you draw inspiration from/trying to portray real life people/locations. That means that you attempt to create believable flawed characters without worrying about offending someone, not bland walking endorsement of inclusiveness and tolerance.

Nah, just about everyone in Bloodlines is a scumbag. When it comes to developer-side misogyny, I'm thinking of the money code "joke" and those collectible sex posters (do we get to collect posters of LaCroix, Nines, Ash, and Mercurio in provocative poses? No).

Velvet Velour is like that, she's about the only genuinely kind vampire in LA and everything from the way she speaks, to what she's willing to share about her past, to her quests and, especially, Vesuvius' theme song point to someone devastated by the vampiric curse.

OTOH, Gary refers to her pre-vampire self as "Miss Anything For Three Hundred" so in some ways it was a step up.

 

[Roguey]

Appreciating the female body is the same as hating women. Only in retarded SJW world.

It's a lack of respect.

 

[Volrath]

It's a lack of respect.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

People, it's late 2015 and you still fall for Roguey's SJW trolling. Xir is trolling you, xir found that stating an SJW opinion on some matter is very cost-efficient - Roguey just needs to throw a little turd, and you'll do all the fan rotating for xir. Seriously, stop it.

 

[Lurker King]

Sexualized characters, racist tendencies, internalized misogyny, rampant nihilism, self-serving characters, that's the shit! A good part of why the dialogue in Bloodlines is great.

If new games are barred from having that, all we'll have left are bland fantasy la-la lands. Fuck that, I need that edge.

I fear even Torment will be so asepticized. Nowadays, only AoD has some of that juicy irreverent dialogue, and still, it's all business and no play, all self-serving characters, not sexualized. It's very restrained, in a way.

 

[Lurker King]

People, it's late 2015 and you still fall for Roguey's SJW trolling. Xir is trolling you, xir found that stating an SJW opinion on some matter is very cost-efficient - Roguey just needs to throw a little turd, and you'll do all the fan rotating for xir. Seriously, stop it.

This.

 

[anus_pounder]

People, it's late 2015 and you still fall for Roguey's SJW trolling. Xir is trolling you, xir found that stating an SJW opinion on some matter is very cost-efficient - Roguey just needs to throw a little turd, and you'll do all the fan rotating for xir. Seriously, stop it.

spoilsport.

 

[Roguey]

But he seemed to be reformed as of late on the GG thread at least. Like he was disillusioned with SJW-ism bullshit.

How is it controversial to state that Troika objectified their female characters by creating a series of quests that exist exclusively to provide titillation for their heterosexual male audience (there are no rewards other than the posters) with gay women more likely an afterthought, while not even considering any such equivalent for potential heterosexual women or gay men in their audience? Perhaps they should have written on the box "this was made by mostly straight guys mostly for straight guys. Tim Cain was there, but he didn't contribute much other than programming." I have a feeling if one were to ask about this, they'd hem and haw about it rather than say that's what they intended and they won't apologize for it.

 

[Roguey]

The verb "objectify" suggests that something which is not an object is being treated as one. That is not the case.

Creators who treat their characters as objects sound like lousy creators to me. Unless they do it equally of course.

 

[Fargus]

It's a lack of respect.

 

[Bester]

Any artist (developer) has the discretion to look at sexuality from any angle that he wants, grow up.

Spoiler

Typical dick envy itt. Men collect magazines with naked chicks and posters with girls in erotic poses to jerk off to later. Girls don't do that, and they don't watch porn, because everything happens in their head. So there's no use for male posters. But no, sjws insist on having something they have no use for, because dick envy.

Spoiler

Inb4 Rogey insists he jerks off to posters with hot males...

 

[Irenaeus II]

Spoiler

Inb4 Rogey insists he jerks off to posters with hot males...

You should see his thread about what he finds attractive. lol

It's pure androgen shit.

Guy is a jackass.

 

[SCO]

Ignored bester for diverting every single discussion to 'SJW' for no reason.



also fuck you, you boring basement dweller

 

[Roguey]

Girls don't do that

http://www.popsugar.com/love/90s-Heartthrob-Posters-22621390?stream_view=1