NWN2 vs Baldur's Gate

[Dele]

You'll want to play MOTB and perhaps HOTU at some point.

OC in either of the nwn's isn't worth playing.

I'd say nwn1 is better than the sequel, but thats probably because i dislike party-based games(woohoo for fallouts and nwn1)

 

[Volourn]

"BG 2 > BG 1 > NWN2 > NWN1

ALso

BG 2 > NWN2 MoTB > BG 1 > NWN1 HoTU > NWN2 OC > NWN1 SoU > NWN1
(Haven't played SoZ, MoW, or ToB.... and SoTC didn't add a whole lot to BG1)"

I, too, can play this game....

NWN > BG2 > B1 > NWN2

or

BG2 > MOTB > HOTU > BG1 > NWN OC = NWN2 OC > SOU >>>>>>>>> SOZZY



"Still waiting to hear how NWN1's single PC and single NPC follower qualifies as a "party". Retard."

You are a retard. A party = more than one adventurer. You can have parties of 2 in pnp. And, it happens quite a bit. *shrug* The 'ideal' maybe 4; but it's not the only number. Doofus.

Are you done being retarded?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Ugh. Do not.

What the fuck is your problem with Fallout? You praise cowshit like Drakensang but constantly dis Fallout? Not even the "OEMGE IM PLAY OANLY TO KILZ MUNSTERZ" crowd would agree with this, I'm pretty sure.

....

Also, NWN and tactics...

 

[Silellak]

Also, NWN and tactics...

 

[Wyrmlord]

Looking at the first page of this thread, Andhaira's pimping of Drakensang has really gone over the top.

Seeing that Realms Of Arkania is his favourite game, he probably likes it over other pausable real time RPGs just because it uses the bloated Das Schwarze Auge ruleset.

 

[Shannow]

I was about to defend Volly's "party" in NWN by mentioning that he played a differend game than most of us. That he played a lot online where parties are quite common, AFAIK. But then claims that one henchmen makes a party...

NWN2 OC is to NWN1 OC as BG2 is to BG1. Both are far superior to their predecessors in pretty much every conceivable way.

NWN 2 OC is far better than NWN1 OC, certainly. But "in every conceivable way"? No. You can't just ignore the engine.

And yes, NWN was ugly whereas NWN2 ist ok, graphicwise. But personally, I rate performance and ease of use much higher than graphics. NWN2 performed like a piece of crap on a higher end system and the UI and camera are simply terrible. Whereas NWN performed ok on a then mid range system (and performs fantastically on current systems) and the camera only had to be handled once in a while. The UI didn't have the nice Fast Cast and Abilities slots but at least it didn't react laggy/sluggishly. Party is great in D&D games, if the rest of the gameplay can keep up. And plainly, in NWN2 it can't, IMHO. No TB is bad, no auto-pause is worse and coupled with the UI and camera problems it just sucks elephant balls.

In addition to that there are many small things like shapeshifting that are handled worse in NWN 2.

 

[Biges]

Please, people, keep the discussion civil, no need to personal attacks, let's just accept everyone has a different gaming preferences

 

[FeelTheRads]

UR GAY!

 

[Wyrmlord]

Also, Volly is awesome.

There's alot of reasons to criticize NWN, but alot of the stuff people point out are the least relevant ones.

And all the same, of many of the more legitimate flaws that are pointed out in the game; it unfortunately still comes down to the fact that at this point, community content and mods take care of it.

PS: There was this one time when I was part of the "Neverwinter Nights engine sucks because Infinity Engine games were better looking with their 2D artwork". Now, I feel that it is just a tiresome and pointless argument, because although IE games did look better, there is nothing in the long run that affected NWN just for having a 3D engine.

 

[Volourn]

"Please, people, keep the discussion civil, no need to personal attacks, let's just accept everyone has a different gaming preferences"

WTF? Am I on the Codex? I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HAPPY HAPPY LAND WHEREVER GETS ALONG AND ALL OPINIONS EVEN RETARDED ONES ARE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE! Fuck that shit.

My opinion si the right one, and if you fuckin;' disagre youa re fuckin' wrong, and I will fuckin' tell you in the CODEXIAN WAY.. not the happy happy land way. FUCK THAT!


"And all the same, of many of the more legitimate flaws that are pointed out in the game"

Definitely.


"But then claims that one henchmen makes a party..."

Because, it's fuckin' true. Do you even play pnp? FFS

The TYPICAL D&D party is 3-5 (usually 4); but it's not required. You can have small two man parties or large 8-10 man parties. FFS Why are people retarded?

 

[Major_Boobage]

No. NWN had more tatics in it spinky finger than BG did in the netire 1 billion hours of empty space. R00fles!

Hey Volourn, your brain called. It said that you should shut the fuck up.

 

[Biges]

WTF? Am I on the Codex? I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HAPPY HAPPY LAND WHEREVER GETS ALONG AND ALL OPINIONS EVEN RETARDED ONES ARE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE! Fuck that shit.

FFS Why are people retarded?

Maybe you should have more sex. That way you would spend less time here (11822 posts?!) and stop behave like a sociopathic psycho case for Freud. If you can't find a human to make a sex with you, just do others a service and masturbate your frustration out, internet is full of porn with sexy women (or man, if that's your preference).

 

[Shannow]

Yeah, Volly. Have more sex. I hear Biges (or more like Bitches, AMIRITE?!?) likes it up the ass. So go on, don't be shy.

 

[FeelTheRads]

You can have small two man parties or large 8-10 man parties. FFS Why are people retarded?

Only a retarded and useless henchman doesn't really qualify as a "man" does he?

Tactics and NWN...

 

[Wyrmlord]

In before "You can't have a tactical pausable real-time game, unless it is Warhammer: Dark Omen."

And in after nomask's "There are no tactics in RPGs, fools."

 

[Shannow]

In before "You can't have a tactical pausable real-time game, unless it is Warhammer: Dark Omen."

And in after nomask's "There are no tactics in RPGs, fools."

Only DO isn't pausible in the "with pause"-sense.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

" for BG1, it was fucking awful."

No.

Yes.

Running around empty maps hacking up mobs with a god-awful combat system? It was fucking AWFUL.

Isn't that what's called open ended and non-linear game play?

You're talking about BG, a game which has NO alternate paths, NO different endings and NO choices and consequences in regards to the plot. It is the most linear 'RPG' Bioware have ever made.

You don't *have* to explore all the "empty" maps, you know.

You have to explore a lot of them just to finish the game. And to do that you have to spend a long time hacking and slashing.

And sure, the combat system could be better, but it's still infinitely better than NWN non-tactical ass-view.

At least in NWN you are scoring hits and aren't dying every two seconds.

 

[felicity]

I know you guys are talking about OC, but it doesn't hurt to try some of the well done mods. They are well worth spending a Sunday afternoon on, and most importantly they are free so there is nothing to lose if you don't like 'em. I highly recommend Hex Coda if you want to have a taste of what can be done in NWN. It has a original setting, some good writings and humors, and a few challenging battles at the end. A dance with rogues is very fun module for rogue PC, the modder has a nice grasp on balance. It has potentially heavy (porn)-sex contents, but can be mostly avoided. Sanctum of the archmage is a pretty new series, the first part is a decent dungeon crawl with storytelling. Part1&2 is out and I heard 3 is already in beta testing.

 

[FeelTheRads]

In before "You can't have a tactical pausable real-time game, unless it is Warhammer: Dark Omen."

Yeah, so NWN1 has tactics too, eh? Was pretty funny when you said it about NWN2, but this is gold coming from one who considers there is no tactic in an RPG with one controllable character.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Please, people, keep the discussion civil, no need to personal attacks, let's just accept everyone has a different gaming preferences

Welcome to Codexia.

 

[octavius]

" for BG1, it was fucking awful."

No.

Yes.

Running around empty maps hacking up mobs with a god-awful combat system? It was fucking AWFUL.

Isn't that what's called open ended and non-linear game play?

You're talking about BG, a game which has NO alternate paths, NO different endings and NO choices and consequences in regards to the plot. It is the most linear 'RPG' Bioware have ever made.

Have you actually *played* Baldur's Gate?

Alternate paths: except for Cloakwood and the city of BG itself you can do the maps in any order you want.

Different endings: An "evil" ending would have been nice. The biggest weakness of the game is that it strongly favours "good" persons (lower prices and more XP).

Coices and consequences: The way you treat the recuitable NPCs involve lots of C&C and so does how you treat other NPCs, like the merchant and the druids in Cloakwood.
Killing innocents will also have severe consrquences as you will be hounded by the Flaming Fist.

You don't *have* to explore all the "empty" maps, you know.

You have to explore a lot of them just to finish the game. And to do that you have to spend a long time hacking and slashing.

No, you don't. Most encounter can be avoided by scouting the maps.

And sure, the combat system could be better, but it's still infinitely better than NWN non-tactical ass-view.

At least in NWN you are scoring hits and aren't dying every two seconds.

So BG is too hard for you and you prefer the dumbed down console game that is NWN?

 

[nomask7]

In before "You can't have a tactical pausable real-time game, unless it is Warhammer: Dark Omen."

And in after nomask's "There are no tactics in RPGs, fools."

RPG combat, as it now exists in practice, is not interesting to intelligent veteran players except on rare occasions that have little to do with the combat systems themselves. I liked Wizardry 8, because I was allowed to actually think about what to do in the game, there was no hand-holding, no stupid dialogue systems where answers were ready-made and everything painfully obvious. But I didn't play very far, because the combat simply bored me to tears, even though I played an Iron Man game and it was my first attempt at a Wizardry play-through. To tell the truth, I'm getting sick of games in general. That may be for some mysterious reason (such as the fact that intelligent books, the Classics and such, are about a billion times better than any game, as is good music), or it may be because there just aren't any really good games yet.

 

[Wyrmlord]

In before "You can't have a tactical pausable real-time game, unless it is Warhammer: Dark Omen."

Yeah, so NWN1 has tactics too, eh? Was pretty funny when you said it about NWN2, but this is gold coming from one who considers there is no tactic in an RPG with one controllable character.

I am not disagreeing with the statement I wrote; rather pointing out how this discussion has played out so many times before.

Turn-based fan all the way, and NWN is just a game fun for a few odd modules; also I don't consider it tactical either.

 

[Relayer71]

"Please, people, keep the discussion civil, no need to personal attacks, let's just accept everyone has a different gaming preferences"

WTF? Am I on the Codex? I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HAPPY HAPPY LAND WHEREVER GETS ALONG AND ALL OPINIONS EVEN RETARDED ONES ARE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE! Fuck that shit.

My opinion si the right one, and if you fuckin;' disagre youa re fuckin' wrong, and I will fuckin' tell you in the CODEXIAN WAY.. not the happy happy land way. FUCK THAT!

You tell these FUCKERS!!!!!
This isn't Happylandia, it's THE CODEX, bitches!

 

[Volourn]

Damn fuckin' skippy!