New Obsidian Kickstarter (Update: Not really, dammit Duraframe) (Banned Duraframe - DU)

[Kanedias]

Did you read the A Song of Ice and Fire books? soft porn? The amount of sex scenes in the books is not even close to HBO's adaptation.

 

[Nikolaj]

Are you sure you actually read the books? It sounds like you just watched the show.

 

[Ninja Destroyer]

You know what would be cool? Stardock giving them the license to do a Star Control sequel. It'd be like doing to Mass Effect what Wasteland did to (Bethesda) Fallout.

 

[Jarpie]

Did you read the A Song of Ice and Fire books? soft porn? The amount of sex scenes in the books is not even close to HBO's adaptation.

Are you sure you actually read the books? It sounds like you just watched the show.

I did read the first book, and I hated it. Only even remotely interesting character was Tyrion, others were either retarded or just fucking annoying.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

Masterful critique.

 

[Grunker]

Heresy. Embrace the Avellone.

KotOR2 and MotB are the only Obsidian games i realy like.
NV and AP were mixed bags, many good elements and many bad ones mixed
DS3 and SoZ were good for what they were (meh)
And NWN2 OC was bad.

Agreed 100% except switch MotB and NV

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Why Obsidian gets so much a pass from the Codex is beyond me. They have yet to release something that could be called a "good game". Even their best (Kotor2, I guess?) was packed with more excuses than content.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

Kotor 2, New Vegas, and MotB were all good games and better than what most studios could accomplish.

 

[Rake]

Why Obsidian gets so much a pass from the Codex is beyond me. They have yet to release something that could be called a "good game". Even their best (Kotor2, I guess?) was packed with more excuses than content.

Compaired to whom? What AAA RPG dev has released something that could be called a "good game" in the last 10 years?

 

[DalekFlay]

Everyone needs to embrace the Obsidian fanboy perspective because who the fuck else are you going to root for.

 

[Syl]

The money they make from PE won't be enough to pay for even another project probably anyway

Eh? Why not? Have you done the math? It's really not a huge sum. Consider that a no-name Early Access title just made half a million dollars on Steam. HALF A MILLION: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-steam-early-access.78160/page-3#post-3001769

They said "over half a million dollars in backer funding". Backer funding. I think they're counting the kickstarter money in this (£140,481 = ~$230,000). So that's more like $300,000 on Steam.

That's still huge.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Why Obsidian gets so much a pass from the Codex is beyond me. They have yet to release something that could be called a "good game". Even their best (Kotor2, I guess?) was packed with more excuses than content.

Compaired to who? What AAA RPG dev has released something that could be called a "good game" in the last 10 years?

Compared to whom you imbecile.

Nah, but seriously... people still get excited for their games. It strikes me as something akin to Battered Woman Syndrome, or maybe it's more of a Stockholm Syndrome situation.

 

[Infinitron]

Flying Spaghetti Monster It's not rocket science. The reason people keep tabs on Obsidian is because the people who founded Obsidian came from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Isle_Studios

And that's all there is to it, really.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Heresy. Embrace the Avellone.

KotOR2 and MotB are the only Obsidian games i realy like.
NV and AP were mixed bags, many good elements and many bad ones mixed
DS3 and SoZ were good for what they were (meh)
And NWN2 OC was bad.

but NWN2 OC wasn't just bad. it was massive derp, specially without the camera improvements fo the expansions.

 

[Rake]

Why Obsidian gets so much a pass from the Codex is beyond me. They have yet to release something that could be called a "good game". Even their best (Kotor2, I guess?) was packed with more excuses than content.

Compaired to who? What AAA RPG dev has released something that could be called a "good game" in the last 10 years?

Compared to whom you imbecile.

Nah, but seriously... people still get excited for their games. It strikes me as something akin to Battered Woman Syndrome, or maybe it's more of a Stockholm Syndrome situation.

Typo. Fixed now.
As for the "people still get excited for their games" part, as i said, i have a p. mixed opinion for Obsidian games, but i believe they are the only AAA company that "gets" it. Even their failures left me with the impresion that they have the potential to make a "great" game. Is a feeling i don't get from the other devs.
Also, what Tron said

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Flying Spaghetti Monster It's not rocket science. The reason people keep tabs on Obsidian is because the people who founded Obsidian came from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Isle_Studios

And that's all there is to it, really.

I get that, it's just stupid. Obsidian has been around for what... ten years? I'd like at least one good game to come from a developer before we assume they're not shit. And considering they've released SO much shit, and the only "good" games are incredibly flawed at their core with some saving graces that make them playable, my conclusion is you guys are a bunch of retards.

 

[Infinitron]

Flying Spaghetti Monster It's not rocket science. The reason people keep tabs on Obsidian is because the people who founded Obsidian came from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Isle_Studios

And that's all there is to it, really.

I get that, it's just stupid. Obsidian has been around for what... ten years? I'd like at least one good game to come from a developer before we assume they're not shit. And considering they've released SO much shit, and the only "good" games are incredibly flawed at their core with some saving graces that make them playable, my conclusion is you guys are a bunch of retards.

Well, RPGs have been been pretty shitty for the past ten years, so being an RPG fan generally is kind of retarded, yes. There's a reason you see things like Skyway deciding to become a mil-sim junkie; because that genre is (or at least was, see ARMA3 suckage) much more vital. Hopefully things will change now with Kickstarter, although it might be a slow start.

 

[Kanedias]

I can only speak of my own devotion to Obsidian, and it's not due to Black Isle. It's mostly due to the fact that KOTOR2 is probably my favourite game next to Dark Souls. I found the game to be excellent and deep, both in terms of plot and atmosphere. There was a constant feeling that there was more below the surface and it would be confirmed after insightful dialogue sessions with the different party members. The cut content didn't bother me too much, in fact the first time I played I didn't even know about it and I thought those parts were be in the game somewhere and that I had missed them, so it turned the experience even more into a quest of exploration when I replayed it.

Also I guess Avellone's vision fit my tastes extremely well. I have liked Obsidian ever since, and their writing is significantly above Bioware's or other companies.

 

[Grunker]

Flying Spaghetti Monster It's not rocket science. The reason people keep tabs on Obsidian is because the people who founded Obsidian came from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Isle_Studios

And that's all there is to it, really.

I get that, it's just stupid. Obsidian has been around for what... ten years? I'd like at least one good game to come from a developer before we assume they're not shit. And considering they've released SO much shit, and the only "good" games are incredibly flawed at their core with some saving graces that make them playable, my conclusion is you guys are a bunch of retards.

Well, RPGs have been been pretty shitty for the past ten years, so being an RPG fan generally is kind of retarded, yes. There's a reason you see stuff like Skyway deciding to become a mil-sim junkie; because that genre is (or at least was, see ARMA3 suckage) much more vital. Hopefully things will change now with Kickstarter, although it might be a slow start.

New Vegas is on the Codex Top 10. You might not agree that it is good, FSM, but your original question was:

"Why does Obsidian get a pass?"

I think it's fair to expect that any company that makes it into the ten most popular games period of this site will be favourably regarded in general discussion by a number of posters.

As for my own part, I share Rake's sentiments: I think Obsidian's hearts and minds are somewhat in the right place, but I have been decidedly MEH'ed by most of their games, including MotB.

Also, many of the games in that very Top 10 list was made with the involvement of people hired by Obsidian, which is probably an equally large part of the explanation (though my personal trust in the abilities of Tim Cain are fast approaching 0).

 

[tuluse]

All RPGs are bad. Obsidian's are less bad than their competitors. They do something interesting every other game.

 

[Grunker]

All RPGs are bad. Obsidian's are less bad than their competitors.

Not really. Dragon Age is massively better than, for instance, Neverwinter Nights 2.

 

[tuluse]

Not really. Dragon Age is massively better than, for instance, Neverwinter Nights 2.

I did not mean to imply that every Obsidian game was better than every game their competitors made.

New Vegas is the best RPG post-troika however.

 

[Kanedias]

Dragon Age Origins is Modern Bioware's best RPG. You're comparing the highest of Bioware's achievements to an Obsidian game of medium quality.

 

[Grunker]

Not really. Dragon Age is massively better than, for instance, Neverwinter Nights 2.

I did not mean to imply that every Obsidian game was better than every game their competitors made.

New Vegas is the best RPG post-troika however.

I don't think you can meaningfully compare DA and NV that much, really, but even if you could, I'm not sure I'd agree with that statement. Different strokes. My point was that Obsidian shouldn't get neither passes nor trust from the Codex.

Until PoE turns out to be glorious of course

 

[Lhynn]

Why Obsidian gets so much a pass from the Codex is beyond me. They have yet to release something that could be called a "good game". Even their best (Kotor2, I guess?) was packed with more excuses than content.

Why you think you have actual good taste is beyond me.
Why you think Obsidian gets a free pass when its been panned for a lot of shit titles like DS3 or NWN2 OC is beyond me.
Why you think Kotor 2, NWN2 MotB, FNV, were not great is beyond me.
Why you dont seem to be able to see how PA was good is beyond me.
Why are you trying to so hard to be an edgy motherfucker is beyond me.

From where im standing its not great, but it is one of the last refuges we rpg fans have, they seem to know what makes a RPG great and consistently try to make games that live up to that, Mixed results, yes. But they try, we know they do.