Nevill
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How is he useful, pray tell? What would you use him for?I don't trust Gao Ying farther than Cao'er can throw him, but he's useful for now.
Really, he is more of a liability to us.
How is he useful, pray tell? What would you use him for?I don't trust Gao Ying farther than Cao'er can throw him, but he's useful for now.
roll back
Seeing as you actually voted in favour of the last one, it's rather unsporting of you to ask for another rollback. It would be fairer to give that opportunity to those who didn't vote for a rollback. If I'm inclined to give one at all.
I didn't like the whole kidnap the emperor plan from the beginning. Too much effort, too much trouble, and too many chances to fuck up or have someone dying on us. It's there where I would roll back, because I was strongly against it and despite all my arguments people still went with it for the lulz, and because Zhang would pat us on the back for it. Though things went better than expected.
Also, great job at portraying Gao Ying, I really like his character. I'm kinda glad we didn't had to fight him, because of the monster.
He is a fellow of the Manor, which we now know to be a hotbed of rebellious sentiment.I have a nagging feeling Zhang does not like the former Emperor.
Though it may make our little present to him all the more amusing.
I didn't like the whole kidnap the emperor plan from the beginning. Too much effort, too much trouble, and too many chances to fuck up or have someone dying on us. It's there where I would roll back, because I was strongly against it and despite all my arguments people still went with it for the lulz, and because Zhang would pat us on the back for it. Though things went better than expected.
And boy will Zhang pat you on the back for it when you finally manage to find your way out of the tunnels.
Correct me if I'm wrong, here, but I'm not sure Jing has changed, at least in terms of serving Shun. Shun likely has several personally-loyal servants, but he's always considered Jing his brother (and he was specifically put into that role). The first time we saw them together they were laughing and joking in a manner that would be fairly inappropriate for master and slave, and Jing has always been concerned for Shun as a person even if he always knew the reality of his situation as far as the Emperor and such are concerned. On top of that, Shun has repeatedly made it clear that considering Shun as his brother and as a person is the role Shun thinks Jing should be filling, both before and after we joined the jianghu. We're still filling the same role we were intended for, and Gao Ying is a little presumptuous in thinking that he and Jing are the same sort of servant.Something that you should have – something you had… but when did your feelings begin to change?
Is that why we risked our neck to prevent Chanfeng from leaving?We're still filling the same role we were intended for, and Gao Ying is a little presumtuous in thinking that he and Jing are the same sort of servant.
We have made this decision even before we met Shun.Because we told Shun about it and he doesn't really care, and on top of that Jing now has more people who he's loyal to than just Shun.
I don't know... I've been partial about this since the beginning, and the change comes across if you are willing to find signs of it.treave said:...maybe I should have put this all down in the update.
So the change is in what Jing thinks he himself is, rather than what Shun thinks he is? I suppose that makes sense, and I may have just been looking at it from too outside a perspective.Well, at the beginning of the LP Jing did see himself only as a tool to be used, regardless of what Shun thought - it was the prince that had to convince him that he was a friend and not just a servant. After all, you could say that playing friend was his role, and even if it was genuine friendship Jing would convince himself that it was part of his obligation to be the prince's friend. The nature of the interaction hasn't changed on the outside, but due to their time apart Jing now sees himself as a bit more of an equal thanks to the experiences he has had; the things that the prince hasn't had the opportunity to experience. Still not a full equal, of course, he is still subordinate to the prince, but his tool complex is somewhat lessened.
Didn't they grow up together essentially as brothers? I'd be amazed if they weren't actually real friends no matter how technically inappropriate that is. That sort of thing isn't really something you can control.He doesn't feel like it is his duty to be Shun's friend anymore - he has realized that those feelings are something that spring genuinely from inside him, not as part of some job package the Emperor gave to him.
...maybe I should have put this all down in the update.
Well on top of that, Jing has been entrusted to act in Shun's best interests in the jianghu, and having Xiahou Yu on his side is significantly more beneficial than making sure Liu Chanfeng is dead, especially after we found out she bears no actual ill-will toward the prince and she was just hired for the job.We have made this decision even before we met Shun.Because we told Shun about it and he doesn't really care, and on top of that Jing now has more people who he's loyal to than just Shun.
Exactly. Jing's loyalties are to his friends.
I didn't like the whole kidnap the emperor plan from the beginning. Too much effort, too much trouble, and too many chances to fuck up or have someone dying on us. It's there where I would roll back, because I was strongly against it and despite all my arguments people still went with it for the lulz, and because Zhang would pat us on the back for it. Though things went better than expected.
And boy will Zhang pat you on the back for it when you finally manage to find your way out of the tunnels.
Hell, he'd probably be proud of himself for doing it. He seems to have something of a martyr complex.For example, in these tunnels, any amount of accidents could happen…”
“What would you tell the Crown Prince, that his father slipped and cracked his head against a rock?” you snap.
“Perhaps,” replies Gao Ying. “He would see through me and understand the necessity of it. The Crown Prince is a wise man, a man far greater than you and I. He is the only one who can bring order from this chaos the country is embroiled in.”
“He is still a man, Gao Ying. He has emotions. By nature he is as far from cruelty as I can imagine. If he has to murder his own father to take the throne it will kill his own heart.”
“That is why he has me,” says the eunuch fiercely. “I work in the darkness while he walks in the light. I will do whatever is necessary to ensure the security of his rule.
In Luoyang, there were no doubts about it. Women in black were Shun's enemies, and therefore our enemies, to be exterminated and/or interrogated.Tribute said:Well on top of that, Jing has been entrusted to act in Shun's best interests in the jianghu, and having Xiahou Yu on his side is significantly more beneficial than making sure Liu Chanfeng is dead, especially after we found out she bears no actual ill-will toward the prince and she was just hired for the job.
You know, brothers usually do not receive training to spread their butt open at another brother's request. It was really thanks to Shun's nature that we didn't end up like this. He was still a master to us, a kind one, but a master nonetheless. Jing didn't delude himself, their relationship was shaped not only by their interactions, but by external factors as well.Tribute said:Didn't they grow up together essentially as brothers? I'd be amazed if they weren't actually real friends no matter how technically inappropriate that is.
"Something," he says. But, seriously, even without him, Cao'er needs to be on hand to make sure the Emperor stays in good health and doesn't die because he's an old man hopped up on drugs.Hell, he'd probably be proud of himself for doing it. He seems to have something of a martyr complex.
One more reason to make sure the Emperor makes it to Maniac Island in one piece, then.And now I want to wake the Emperor up and ask him what was he thinking when he gave us to his heir. He must have had something particular in mind.
Jesus Christ, not only did he hunt oni, but he hunted them to extinction?He picked up a head as large as a small boulder, its eyes a fearsome red and its tusks long. “This is an oni.”
“I-I know what an oni is,” muttered Yorimitsu, “but I thought they were just fancy tales.”
“Well,” shrugged Zhang carelessly. “They are now.”
Nuh-uh. Just tell us what we need to do to make sure this is what actually happened.Disclaimer: The above may or may not bear any resemblance to actual events during Zhang's Return to Maniac Island, and may have been subject to embellishment.