kingcomrade
Kingcomrade
hay guys u all suck
Gnidrologist said:Feel insecure?
Stalagmite said:Gnidrologist said:Feel insecure?
Only when your mother tells me I don't fuck her like her son does.
Jebus said:Is this supposed to be a flame war?
Fuck, it feels like kindergarten. A bunch of idiots completely ignoring all rational argyments and spouting gratuitous profanities just to get heard.
Ratata and Undead Dolphin Hacker, I'm sure you two would make great FOBOS fans.
Gnidrologist said:And since when any fansite or just any given internet place has to have an influence on any marketing, to be credible?
Kharn said:Why are you even making such broad judgements based on 1/3 of the article which does not include the argumentative part. That's as silly as those "manifesto"-posts on NMA. Jeesh, people, wait a week.
The survival of a franchise depends completely on the fans.
So far, the Fallout fans have not let the franchise down.
http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34206 said:In other news, while commenting on RPGCodex' take on Fallout 3 on our forums, RPGCodex head honcho VDweller stated that "[t]hey are not targeting the Fallout fans at all. If they were, they would be here now, talking to you, would they not? They already have a playable build, yet they didn't show anything to you. Ask yourself why."
http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=34772 said:Nothing substantial is known about Bethesda's Fallout 3 as of the time of this writing.
taxacaria said:If Rosh is right, there has been no chance to change things in the past.
A community, which is not the target group for a game, has no possibilities to gain any game developement influence.
So all mud catching is invain.
Rosh said:As someone else mentioned, I am working on a game, but not as the AI programmer, but as the design lead of the project. Other than what I have said in an aforementioned thread, I don't care to divulge much more than that at this time. It was amusing having a team member do one of the writing exercises I planned, where each team member writes in the style of the others to help add in some writing here and there where necessary while keeping it matching in style, write and post a "fuck you and goodbye" for me to see it get quickly hidden. He did well, but I had to take marks off for "inadequate swearing" and "insufficient bouts of incoherent virulence". :D
Rosh said:while being on their site blacklist
Waiting for Bethesda to feed you with next PR bullshit is not very productive.
from http://www.ashleycheng.com/2007/02/befo ... e-was.htmlAshley Cheng said:The thread I was reading was about a segment of the Fallout fanbase that is known for their fanatical devotion for the first two games in the Fallout series, and the Fallout universe in general. Fallout 1 and 2 were released back in 1997 and 1998, respectively. Ten years is a long time, but in terms of technology, the early 90s is downright ancient. (For reference, iPods didn't come out until 2001!) For me personally, 1997 right up until 2000 was a golden age for computer role playing games. Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Planescape Torment -- I played some of the best RPGs in my life during that period. In general, the aforementioned Fallout fans yearn for those RPGs. They may not want to play those exact games specifically, but it is safe to say that current RPGs on the market are definitely not to their liking (to say the least).
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Anyhoo, back to the thread I was reading. The general consensus of the thread was that these passionate fans are irrelevant, that they are too fanatical and small a blip on the market to really matter. Yet, I can't help but think of The Long Tail [he means longtime sales]. Practically speaking, current major publishers and developers no longer make those types of games anymore, and retailers won't sell games that haven't come out in the past year or two. But you can still find them at places at www.gogamer.com or www.gametap.com. I would be curious if their sales of older titles is substantial enough to raise the eyebrows of major publishers and make a case for these niche titles.
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Perhaps the RPGs of the late 90s will make their way back somehow -- those big, beautiful beasts of RPGs. Yet, I imagine, much like adventure games, when they do return, they won't be anything like they were back before iPods ruled the earth.
Gnidrologist said:I generally like NMA because of it's content and angry cunts (lawl), but I also found their ''we're serius jurnalists who no poust rumars'' attitude bit silly.
Hmm... I didn't know that and am actually confused now.Instead he opted not to post, kept silent about it, and then start flaming us a year later
Gnidrologist said:Hmm... I didn't know that and am actually confused now.Instead he opted not to post, kept silent about it, and then start flaming us a year later
Kharn said:Your "RPG of the Year" persona was a lot more positive, Rosh.
So tell me something, Rosh, since all this is just begging for attention and immaterial; what should I be doing instead?
Xandir said:...Rosh said:I had nothing to do with that because it was very, very STUPID.
As for what VDweller said? Hello, he's a prominent figure of the community. He isn't going to just come in and say shit unless it has some basis. Aside from me and him, it looked like everyone else was complacent to just sit around and be fucked. So after VDweller and I get the equivalent of "Why do YOU care? Do you see anyone else complaining?", we have to agree that it's no longer worth giving out information at the risk of someone's job for people who'd rather wait for Bethesda to take a shit upon them with "Bethesda hasn't said anything yet" versus delving for details.
It also makes it clear that I was being ignored, as what I said essentially mirrored VDweller's, and that I have said "nothing concrete". I'm sorry if explaining their direction on the X-Box is a LITTLE TOO FUCKING COMPLEX FOR THE PEOPLE AT NMA. RT, 3rd person behind, and nowhere near the same art style. Sorry it was in giant paragraphs and not fed like...well, we saw what happened to VDweller revealing and bluntly stating his info. It got ignored in light of other irrelevancies and whatever grudge you and Kharn apparently have had from before VDweller released his info, as I noticed what kind of reception he usually got.
It's also too late to change any of that, so go kiss Emil's ass with Kharn so Emil will post again at NMA, since there isn't anything "bad" left at NMA, especially not the truth of what Bethesda is doing. Maybe NMA might get a special exclusive or something if they kiss hard enough, but there's nothing else worth following the title for.
Enjoy,
-Rosh
PS: If Kharn and Silencer are still trying to get into a "scoop" war with DAC, how about this little revelation?
Damn did that ever get out of hand.
Initially I was just trying to sort of heckle him into giving us some more info or (hopefully) something resembling a quotable source.
I made a mess out of it after that, going off an all sorts of completely irrelevant tangents about (heh) business practices and PR policy.
Dammit.
Well, you're right, Rosh, I did handle that pretty goddamned poorly and oddly enough my attention span was short enough to mostly forget about that debate. I'd imagine that that debate was what buried your and Vault Dweller's initial postings. Fuck.
Trust me when I have no problems at all with Vault Dweller, though. It just seems that every time I encounter him I seem to get into the most retarded debates about nothing...
Bah.
Also, you were a newsposter on NMA. Why didn't you post the rumours?
Actually, that poster was posting under an obvious trolling e-mail addy and proxy server. It was you, which was obvious from the style and content of the post, which also applies to your RPG of the Year persona. I can't believe you would expect anyone to buy a "writing exercise" excuse, or to not recognise your posting style when you hardly try to hide it.
We hid the post because it contained a lot of stuff about your contacts which, according to your own story, would be potentially threatening.
We mailed the poster at the e-mail adress given to see if we should keep it hidden or put it back, but unsurprisingly the mail sent a trolling adress was not read. I'd be willing to put it back if you say it's ok despite that fact.
We're blacklisted?
Then how do you explain kathode posting on our forum a week ago, or how do you explain NMA being linked to from the ESF forum and not getting edited out or immediately locked?
Briosafreak said:The backbone of NMA is now 95% fixed, and the new things that were supposed to be ready last year are now through the final phases of testing, something that can take a while but it's worth it.
The news are getting NMA more traffic than ever, and I really mean ever, so there's not a problem there.
So I don't see any reason for that much drama. Bah.
Mind explaining this one?
Rosh said:Admit that you cared more about politics and DRAMA! than the subject matter?
You didn't care about the info, just instead argued over it.
Rosh said:How many times must I repeat myself for your benefit, retard? It was handled that way to see who would notice. DAC seemed to notice, you didn't give a shit and then later repost the same thing.
Rosh said:Aw, fuck it. Name withheld to hold Netiquette, but enjoy:
Rosh said:Now this gets funny. If it was me, then wouldn't I have made sure any info that could be tracked back to my sources wasn't in the post?
Rosh said:Considering that I had proofread it a number of times, I think it safe to say that it wasn't the information being any danger to my contacts as to why the post was removed - it just lets everyone at NMA know what a spectacular fuck-up you've been.
Rosh said:Liar, Tom got the message and replied, and he wasn't using his regular e-mail because he was off on a fishing vacation in MS at the time and couldn't log into his normal ISP mail.
Rosh said:Months ago
Rosh said:You are going to have to get off your lazy asses and DO something instead of sit there and sulk.
Kharn said:You're RPG of the Year. There's no point in trying to hide your different personas when they're so obviously you.
So you didn't inform the readerbase about what you considered essential info because you wanted to test your co-newsposters? How is that not politics?
How is that prioritizing the franchise?
If you thought informing the people in an effort to adapt Bethesda's intentions was the most important thing, then why didn't you post it? Why did you only start talking about it to the others when it was too late?
Rosh said:Aw, fuck it. Name withheld to hold Netiquette, but enjoy:
What's that and how is it relevant?
Also, considering you're constantly posting about security flaws of a website as well as posting facts from private forums or messages, I don't think any netiquette is holding you back.
Couldn't be 100% sure it was you, though it is way too likely. I wasn't going to risk someone's job based on something I wasn't sure of. Hence the mail.
That aside...
Rosh said:Considering that I had proofread it a number of times, I think it safe to say that it wasn't the information being any danger to my contacts as to why the post was removed - it just lets everyone at NMA know what a spectacular fuck-up you've been.
There's no mention of proofreading in the post.
I'll consider this official approval from you. I'll put it back and bump it up.
'kay. That's Silencer's fault, then. Sorry?
Ok. What? I'm more than open to good suggestions, but then again, that would be asking you to prioritize Fallout 3 over your personal dislike of me, and that's not likely, is it?