IncendiaryDevice
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I appear to have completely triggered a subset of regular codexers who worship Civilsation 4 as somehow the pinnacle of the entire series. I've never really encountered this before on any other site, but the fanboys here are desperately rabbid it seems. As if part 4 holds some kind of magic sauce that the rest of the franchise somehow got wrong.
Well, I really didn't like Civ4 and found it pretty much followed the trend of dumbed down Civ games. With the release of the new Civ VI I've been interested in finally having an interesting new Civ game to play after so many shitty iterations, so I've been reading the Civ VI thread and, while I get the complaints about the game, most are generic to the entire series, crap AI, slow turn times, easy to abuse mechanics, it's too hard, it's too easy, it's shit but I'm loving it etc etc etc, but what really motivated me to post to that thread has been this propaganda line being dropped by so many that Civ 4 somehow represents a benchmark for 'complexity'.
I mean, WTF?
Wtf is so complex about Civ 4. I went straight in at Prince level and won each victory condition without batting an eyelid. For Civ 3 and previous titles I had to read tips and tricks on Civfanatics before I made Prince easy, and even then it was still a whole lot of very complicated micromanagement combining lots of knowledge I'd built up from my own experiences. But part 4 Prince, just followed the obvious and, bam, steamroll wins.
Now, I hear people use the phrase 'on higher difficulties' a lot, but, shit, they're all gonna be 'complex' on higher difficulties, shit, most people don't even bother playing Civ 3 on Sid level just because the micromanagement requirement is too physically exhausting, shuffling stacks of 400 units around every fucking turn, so of course 1UPT makes Sid level easier, you're moving less units per turn so it's not such a stamina drain.
So what makes Civ 4 so fucking complex? Can anyone actually put each relevant detail into words without using the "on higher difficulties" caveat? As in, what makes it so damn 'complex compared to the other games in the series', cos I haven't a fucking clue what planet you're all on beyond planet fanboy.
(and to move this topic derail away from the Civ 6 thread. To the mods - I searched for a Civ 4 thread but got no results putting "Civilisation IV" or "Civilisation 4" into the search box, if you know of a thread feel free to move this one there or whatever).
Well, I really didn't like Civ4 and found it pretty much followed the trend of dumbed down Civ games. With the release of the new Civ VI I've been interested in finally having an interesting new Civ game to play after so many shitty iterations, so I've been reading the Civ VI thread and, while I get the complaints about the game, most are generic to the entire series, crap AI, slow turn times, easy to abuse mechanics, it's too hard, it's too easy, it's shit but I'm loving it etc etc etc, but what really motivated me to post to that thread has been this propaganda line being dropped by so many that Civ 4 somehow represents a benchmark for 'complexity'.
I mean, WTF?
Wtf is so complex about Civ 4. I went straight in at Prince level and won each victory condition without batting an eyelid. For Civ 3 and previous titles I had to read tips and tricks on Civfanatics before I made Prince easy, and even then it was still a whole lot of very complicated micromanagement combining lots of knowledge I'd built up from my own experiences. But part 4 Prince, just followed the obvious and, bam, steamroll wins.
Now, I hear people use the phrase 'on higher difficulties' a lot, but, shit, they're all gonna be 'complex' on higher difficulties, shit, most people don't even bother playing Civ 3 on Sid level just because the micromanagement requirement is too physically exhausting, shuffling stacks of 400 units around every fucking turn, so of course 1UPT makes Sid level easier, you're moving less units per turn so it's not such a stamina drain.
So what makes Civ 4 so fucking complex? Can anyone actually put each relevant detail into words without using the "on higher difficulties" caveat? As in, what makes it so damn 'complex compared to the other games in the series', cos I haven't a fucking clue what planet you're all on beyond planet fanboy.
(and to move this topic derail away from the Civ 6 thread. To the mods - I searched for a Civ 4 thread but got no results putting "Civilisation IV" or "Civilisation 4" into the search box, if you know of a thread feel free to move this one there or whatever).
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