Game News Dominions 4 announced

[Whisky]

Tags: Dominions 4; Illwinter

Dominions 4 has been officially announced at Illwinter's website.

No other information is known.

 

[Haba]

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[Overboard]

It'll be priced at 49,95 for the next six and a half years, after which the devs will get desperate come to their senses after having only a handful of sales and drop the price to a saner lever.

 

[JANKOhrp]

Seeing how they have been pushing recently for a Steam release of Dominions 3, they will surely try to bring the successor there as well, and special sales would likely follow.

 

[Absalom]

It'll be priced at 49,95 for the next six and a half years, after which the devs will get desperate come to their senses after having only a handful of sales and drop the price to a saner lever.

Bro for them 49.95 is a saner level, dominions 3 used to be priced at 60+ and thats years after release.

This will be SO good if they clean up the combat from Dom 3.

 

[Overboard]

I know what you mean, the KotC guy has the same kind of mental disease, but hopefully the effort to get Dom 3 on steam will give them a bit of an insight as to how pricing works.

 

[Trash]

Do hope they'll actually won't forget to add an AI to this one. Really, it'd be nice to be able to play this one decently in sp as well.

 

[DakaSha]

I'd be happy if i didn't know that single player will be pointless

 

[mondblut]

Ooooooh.

 

[Dreaad]

Its alive!!!

 

[MicoSelva]

Um. I've never heard of this series. Am I missing much?

 

[Haba]

Um. I've never heard of this series. Am I missing much?

You don't deserve it.

 

[MicoSelva]

Apparently fate seems to think so too. I'm guessing, we're talking about this series? I've never crossed paths with it, which is kind of weird, even from probability standpoint.

 

[Johannes]

What is known:

It'll have more stuff than Dom3
Most if not all sprites are redone
Interface is improved
It's based on the same engine as Dom3, not rewritten from scratch
The base mechanics are the mostly the same

 

[DakaSha]

well say goodbye to the hope of a decent ai

 

[Dreaad]

The entire series was designed with MP in mind, the amount of options/tactics available to a player for each of the 40 something nations is pretty big, making an AI that can use those tactics is probably tricky for a little studio.

 

[Johannes]

Well it'd be pretty simple to make AI much better than in Dom3 at least.

-Sensible pretender designs, made by hand and not randomly. Each pretender could have a rough design on research priorities and level of early aggression. Allow players to easily make new such profiles.
-Stop suiciding against indies.
-Don't recruit crap indies. Build forts and national stuff.
-A basic form to equipping people, just basic stuff like giving boosters to mages and vine shield+weapon to thugs. Instead of sticking almost anything randomly anywhere.

Then add a way to make basic diplomacy with them. None of this is too hard to do, but neither is it something the beta testers would talk about as the first thing obviously. When nobody really into Dom3 currently gives a fuck about AI.

 

[DakaSha]

The ai is abysmal and its faults have nothing to do with the game being complex.
And the devs not giving a fuck about the ai just translates into them not giving a fuck about my 60 bucks or however high they want to price it this time.

It has a ldecently sized MP community for an indie game but the majority of people play single player (or not at all once they noticed how pointless it is) . Its fucked up that they dont give a shit about it.

 

[Dreaad]

The ai is abysmal and its faults have nothing to do with the game being complex.
And the devs not giving a fuck about the ai just translates into them not giving a fuck about my 60 bucks or however high they want to price it this time.

It has a ldecently sized MP community for an indie game but the majority of people play single player (or not at all once they noticed how pointless it is) . Its fucked up that they dont give a shit about it.

Why do you not play multiplayer? Just curious.

 

[DakaSha]

The ai is abysmal and its faults have nothing to do with the game being complex.
And the devs not giving a fuck about the ai just translates into them not giving a fuck about my 60 bucks or however high they want to price it this time.

It has a ldecently sized MP community for an indie game but the majority of people play single player (or not at all once they noticed how pointless it is) . Its fucked up that they dont give a shit about it.

Why do you not play multiplayer? Just curious.

Ive played plenty of dominions3 multiplayer. Apart form it being tedious as hell though, its completely besides the point. If you are going to advertise single player, and state that your game has an AI, then fucking give it an ai that can at least handle the most basic aspects of gameplay like, you know, pretender design that doesnt cause the ai to lose to itself.

 

[Dreaad]

Fair enough I guess. False advertising is false advertising. But if as illwinter say, they improve the interface, and hopefully let you save scripts for armies and set way points, that by itself will vastly improve mp.

 

[Johannes]

The ai is abysmal and its faults have nothing to do with the game being complex.
And the devs not giving a fuck about the ai just translates into them not giving a fuck about my 60 bucks or however high they want to price it this time.

It has a ldecently sized MP community for an indie game but the majority of people play single player (or not at all once they noticed how pointless it is) . Its fucked up that they dont give a shit about it.

And how do you know they don't give a fuck about it?

 

[DakaSha]

The ai is abysmal and its faults have nothing to do with the game being complex.
And the devs not giving a fuck about the ai just translates into them not giving a fuck about my 60 bucks or however high they want to price it this time.

It has a ldecently sized MP community for an indie game but the majority of people play single player (or not at all once they noticed how pointless it is) . Its fucked up that they dont give a shit about it.

And how do you know they don't give a fuck about it?

Because I've owned the game since it was released and the AI is still as braindead as back then?

 

[Dreaad]

The ai is abysmal and its faults have nothing to do with the game being complex.
And the devs not giving a fuck about the ai just translates into them not giving a fuck about my 60 bucks or however high they want to price it this time.

It has a ldecently sized MP community for an indie game but the majority of people play single player (or not at all once they noticed how pointless it is) . Its fucked up that they dont give a shit about it.

And how do you know they don't give a fuck about it?

Because I've owned the game since it was released and the AI is still as braindead as back then?

Clearly they don't have a grasp on AI programming then. At least they are bothering to patch/update their games 5-6 years after release and add new content for free.

 

[DakaSha]

They don't have a grasp on how to make the ai not choose wildly random picks for pretender design or to not buy loads of militia.
It's not even an AI design issue.

edit: In any case the reason is also besides the point. A game that cost 60 bucks should have functioning AI. I wont be paying for their next game unless its worked on.