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Civ goes hexagonal
- Thread starter KalosKagathos
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Sounds like a good decision if they pull it of right.
Also reading the features, I didn't saw the words streamlining or accessibility even once.
Civ IV was a huge improvement over the turd that was civ3. Let's hope they won't disappoint us this time.
Also reading the features, I didn't saw the words streamlining or accessibility even once.
Civ IV was a huge improvement over the turd that was civ3. Let's hope they won't disappoint us this time.
Luzur
Good Sir
finally someone doing games the right way.
i hope.
i hope.
Fuck. Yes.
IV was awesome. CIV is about the only product that keeps evolving without dumbing down.
Fingers crossed. Trying to resist being hyped.
IV was awesome. CIV is about the only product that keeps evolving without dumbing down.
Fingers crossed. Trying to resist being hyped.
random_encounter
Educated
Great news. Interesting that they're bringing back hex-based moves, so keeping my fingers crossed on what else they've got planned.
Yeesh
Magister
When I was a young man, naive and full of optimism and possessed of a 386 (sx b/c we were poor folk), I used to play Civ and MoM and think, "MAN! I can't wait until computers get powerful enough that game designers are going to leave these squares behind. It's going to be fucking awesome."
Now, almost 20 years later, Civ is moving from squares... to hexagons. I guess if there were a way to lay out 5-sided shapes to make a play area, this would be slightly less underwhelming, as they'd have at least leap-frogged a bit. But as it stands, I'm just floored that after all this time, with the massive fucking advances in processing and graphics power, a game like Civ still has to have squares or hexes at all. How about measuring unit's movement in fucking circles, adjusting for terrain of course? How about having cities just grow outward organically? How about just trying something a little fucking different, especially in this era of gaming where sales and game quality don't even seem tangentially related? The stakes have never been lower. Why not innovate just a little?
Now, almost 20 years later, Civ is moving from squares... to hexagons. I guess if there were a way to lay out 5-sided shapes to make a play area, this would be slightly less underwhelming, as they'd have at least leap-frogged a bit. But as it stands, I'm just floored that after all this time, with the massive fucking advances in processing and graphics power, a game like Civ still has to have squares or hexes at all. How about measuring unit's movement in fucking circles, adjusting for terrain of course? How about having cities just grow outward organically? How about just trying something a little fucking different, especially in this era of gaming where sales and game quality don't even seem tangentially related? The stakes have never been lower. Why not innovate just a little?
Alex
Arcane
Yeesh, without gameplay rules that really took into account a continuous representation (as opposed to a discrete ones, like board games with spaces), this wouldn't be much of an improvement. All it would do is make things more complex without adding anything to the game.
On the other hand, if you do add rules to make use of this system, you have to make sure they make sense in the context of a civ game. Personally, I am ok with hexagons or squares (though I prefer squares that connect on the edges) for a civ game. While distances are certainly important in a civ game, I think that a continuous map would be better placed in games where careful positioning of many units where more of an issue.
On the other hand, if you do add rules to make use of this system, you have to make sure they make sense in the context of a civ game. Personally, I am ok with hexagons or squares (though I prefer squares that connect on the edges) for a civ game. While distances are certainly important in a civ game, I think that a continuous map would be better placed in games where careful positioning of many units where more of an issue.
spectre
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The problem is, the AI in CiV4 is predictable shis anyways. And this comes from a guy that likes it.
Because there are smart people out there that realise that you do not fiddle with core gameplay if it just happens to work.
You want something fucking little different, there's plenty of other stuff to choose from. Now, the rest of us would like our Civilization fix, thank you.
Honestly, the only thing Civ needs is a better combat system and AI that doesn't rely on cheats.
Improved espionage and diplomacy would be nice, too. Innovashun? Nope.
Because there are smart people out there that realise that you do not fiddle with core gameplay if it just happens to work.
You want something fucking little different, there's plenty of other stuff to choose from. Now, the rest of us would like our Civilization fix, thank you.
Honestly, the only thing Civ needs is a better combat system and AI that doesn't rely on cheats.
Improved espionage and diplomacy would be nice, too. Innovashun? Nope.
Malakal said:
as the everything you build is actually shown on the overview map, the whole city-gfx had to grow, i presume
i wouldn't mind a return to a special city screen for the eye candy (as you won't look at it twice anyway), instead of the civ IV-type city growth
Yeesh
Magister
Alex said:
Of course the rules would need to take into account life without squares or hexes, but I don't see it as a huge change. Instead of pathing by moving straight and diagonal, just drag your units where you want them, and let the computer figure out on the fly how far you can take it in one turn, stopping your unit there when you go to drag it farther. Then you decide if you want to drop it there or not. Group units together just like in Civ 4 and calculate the movement based on the slowest one. Whatever.
And cities, instead of clicking on squares, just let it happen. Pick from a few areas of focus, the way you can in current civs, but instead of filling in a bunch of squares (instantly) with a large fraction of your workers per square, just let the computer put up little farms and little mines and whatever in an ever-expanding circle, further away for the choicest terrain, and only using the crappy stuff when the rest is filled up.
I don't know, I don't see it as a big problem, but I'm no programmer.
To be honest, what I also considered right around the corner during the 386 days was the same game, just with 9x as many squares. Make them smaller, and make each one matter less. I've always supported an increase in complexity coupled with an increase in automation. The less each click matters, the easier it is to cede control to the AI and focus more on the cool parts. Then again, for a lot of folks the micromanaging is the cool part. I dunno.
Finally, I've always wanted raiding parties/warbands/legions/armies of mixed types of units, of which you control the composition, instead of giant formations of all cannon, all spearmen, all knights. I wanted my units to look like masses of different troops seen from way high up, as opposed to pretty pictures of this type or that.
But I still loves me some Civ, so I'm pleased they're making another one, and making some changes. Now make them bring back SMAC.
ChristofferC
Magister
2010 is shaping up to become the best year for PC gaming in a while. 
ChristofferC said:2010 is shaping up to become the best year for PC gaming in a while.
Because of Oblivion MMO, amirite?
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