Anime Zero Escape 3: Zero Time Dilemma - Released

[Metro]

Animu faggotry. No thanks.

 

[jcd]

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[Irenaeus]

So this is the AoD of animes?

 

[Martius]

If they have access to paper and pens, they should be writing notes to themselves each time they wake up, so they can know what happened the last time they were awake. Pretty big plot hole.

I wonder where they really are. In the previous two games the actual location of the game was a pretty big twist both times. Mars? I think I remember VLR saying something about a parallel nonary game taking place on Mars while there was also one on Earth?

I am not so sure that notes would be good idea. Carlos found some beer pads and used one to write message but it was pretty small and who knows how they would react after waking up without memory again. If any of them would suggest these "new" notes were made by Zero to miss guide them then its wasted effort.

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So far in my play-through Phi suggested that she probably jumped at least once without remembering anything so in theory that could mess up notes plan too. I dont think there was any game on Mars, just Mars mission site called dcom. It was facility on desert made to simulate how would human mission look on mars.

Imma let you finish, but thread should be moved to some more inclined subforum, like weeboo. GG is just not good enough.

Just sayin'.

I thought it was moved to adventure gaming but now its back in jrpg section?

 

[Perkel]

If they have access to paper and pens, they should be writing notes to themselves each time they wake up, so they can know what happened the last time they were awake. Pretty big plot hole.

I wonder where they really are. In the previous two games the actual location of the game was a pretty big twist both times. Mars? I think I remember VLR saying something about a parallel nonary game taking place on Mars while there was also one on Earth?

This time plot twists are more about people than place. 999 was taking place in two places and times at the same time (but on Earth not Mars). VLR mentioned though ZTD decision game

 

[Perkel]

Animu faggotry. No thanks.

Looks like anime but it isn't really character wise.

 

[spekkio]

Imma let you finish, but thread should be moved to some more inclined subforum, like weeboo. GG is just not good enough.

Just sayin'.

 

[Irenaeus]

Fuck this, unwatching.;

 

[Malpercio]

Really fucking disappointing, shitons of lame twists and some of the most embarrassing deus ex machina ever.

 

[flyingjohn]

The ending is an absolute joke plus the actual epilogue is written in the files section and reads like bad fan fiction.
Not to mention the alien and mind hacking bullshit.
Still prefer 999 over this and vlr,both in terms of presentation and plot.

 

[Perkel]

Really fucking disappointing, shitons of lame twists and some of the most embarrassing deus ex machina ever.

What exactly ?

Spoiler

delta ?
alternate history (which was part of original 999 as well as SHIFT) ?
alien device ?
You know you are looking already at scifi game from start.

It does use few tools i don't like but with use of them 999/VLR/ZTD are logicaly sound

 

[Malpercio]

You know sci-fi doesn't mean "I can insert any lame ass deus ex machina I want", right?

 

[jcd]

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[Martius]

After finishing I am more or less satisfied although I understand criticism and complaints. Most of that is probably effect of tight budged, I feel like probably more money and time was put into Virtue Last Reward. Still I wonder if I maybe missed something or just something got cut from original script.

Spoiler

I am talking about ? jumping to Kyle body in secret ending in VLR. I thought that would be some important part of ZTD. From what I heard something similar was in Ever17 so maybe it was just easter egg?

 

[jcd]

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[Martius]

Spoiler

I am not so sure. Both Diana and Carlos after making decision leading to death of other player said that they felt like something took control over their bodies. It could be Delta mind hacking.

 

[jcd]

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[Perkel]

As for Kyle:

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he was just part of VLR timeline. He doesn't exist in ZTD.

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as for what jcd mentioned above about after force quit box:

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You are delta. Every choice people make in ZTD by you is actually choice delta uses on people. Thus like mentioned Diana says she didn't know why she hit button. He is physically part of Q team and you can see it if you type Delta in 3 way standoff scene.

 

[Malpercio]

There was no deus ex machina in the game. Everything that is later revealed as a plot twist exists in the game from the start, in fact once the truth is revealed you can notice it being foreshadowed multiple times in earlier fragments. Sometimes even in the game's title, status screen, or the previous game.

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Mind hacking and Alien fax machines. I KILLED 6 BILLIONS TO SAVE 2. 10/10 plot twists.

Literally GTFO.

 

[jcd]

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[Perkel]

Yeah you confuse poor plot tools and deus ex machina.

Either way you are talking about game that has alternate dimensions in it treated as bread and butter.

 

[Malpercio]

It would a deus ex machina if it was introduced at the last moment to save the plot. It was there right from the start.

You clearly don't know what a deux ex machina is. The fax machine is the very definition of it. Also

Spoiler

Mind Hack

was literally introduced at the last minute.

Jesus Christ, you really need to read better stuff if you think this shit is even remotely acceptable. Even just Uchikoshi other novels treat the sci-fi aspects better. It's so sad.

 

[jcd]

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[Malpercio]

The fax machines is literally used multiple times to solve dead ends and get out of situations they couldn't. Just because something is "foreshadowed" and "introduced early" doesn't mean it can't be bullshit, otherwise Uchikoshi could write what the fuck he want and we wouldn't be able to criticize it. Writing needs tone and consistency, people are ok with Morphologist fields because they are part of the series DNA, they are properly elaborated and established. This doesn't mean you can start to vomit every other sci-fi convention you can think of and people won't go "LOL, what the fuck is this? GTFO"


Jesus christ, I can't believe I need to explain why a character having the ability never heard before in the series to

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literally control mind

is one of the poor shitty plot device/deus ex ever seen.

 

[Nryn]

(Discussion about a major late game twist: )

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Initially I hated the Delta = Q reveal. I had just finished the C team ending where Zero more or less reveals that he had a sister, and so when Eric asked for Zero's identity at gunpoint, I entered Delta just for laughs since the other options weren't right. When that turned out to be the right answer, I feared I had bypassed important sequences since Eric started calling the robot "Sean", and the rest of the characters were just fine at seeing an old man who had not appeared in the game prior to that.

Having gone back and rewatched some of the scenes involving Q team, I noticed so many instances of characters saying "old man", "handicap", and also sound and visual effects that suspiciously account for an extra character: 4 thuds playing instead of 3 when Q team falls asleep, when Mira kills Sean in the library, there is an extra gunshot for Delta offscreen, and when Eric kills everyone in the transporter room, there is an extra gunshot and bloodstain, and so on. There's also the part as Sean where answering that "Q" killed Mira is "impossible" (due to his supposed handicap), yet "Me/I" is a valid answer.

As I see more and more hints peppered throughout the game I think I've changed my opinion on the twist from contrived to deliberate, insane, and even genius. If the secret behind the dual screens was 999's major twist, and Sigma's identity was VLR's, Delta=Q is going to be the twist from ZTD that endures in my memory.