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KickStarter Stygian: Reign of the Old Ones. A Lovecraftian Computer Rpg.

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Scrawled, Mar 20, 2016.

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    Scrawled Any plans for an Early Access release?
     
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    Demo was really good. Pretty much agree with Junta's assessment of it. Loved the RPG mechanics, artwork, atmosphere, and setting. If anything in the world looks interesting, you can usually hover your mouse over it, click, and get a nice detailed description, which is something I find very appealing. Strangely enough, I appreciated these descriptive texts more than the dialogue so far, but I'm sure they're going to continue to refine it. Also, there seems to be a bit of intentional campiness going on (ala pulp horror comics and fiction of course), so that might have been something I just needed to adjust to. Not necessarily a negative, but rather an observation.

    There wasn't enough variety in combat to make any real comments on it besides that I enjoyed it, and I think it will work very well for the type of game this seems to be.

    It was a nice taste that made me want A LOT more. I look forward to putting many hours into the full game when it is finished. I can tell I'm going to be a big fan of the final product. Definitely glad I backed this one.
     
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    Any puzzles in the demo or just combat and dialogs?
     
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    Not really any that I saw. There was a little introductory process of how "investigating" will work, but that was just acquiring an item and asking around after where you could find information about it. I'm sure I missed a number of things in the demo, as I was just quickly playing through it to get a feel for how the game played, as I don't wish to spoil to much for myself.

    Not sure how much I'm suppose to talk about, so that's why I'm staying a little vague about it right now.
     
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    Enjoyed the demo a lot.

    -The atmosphere is pretty cool. It's obviously Lovecraftian but it's its own weird thing as well, with a pretty surreal feel to it all. The graphics are nice and the soundtrack works very well.
    -I dig that it kinda feels like a mix between an adventure game and a roleplaying game to play, I guess much of that comes from the perspective and the fact that there are a lot of things to "look at". Makes exploring nice.
    -Character creation is great. It's just a fun bunch of options you have there and there looks to be some cool reactivity to it. My occultist had some unique dialogue options (as well as checks for the Occult skill if I'm not mistaken), love that shit.
    -I think the writing needs refinement. I think especially the more "rough" characters end up feeling a bit... try-hard.
    -The combat seems to be a pretty good fit for the type of game this is but I was kinda disappointed to see that one particular area was... well, this is basically the combat area! The feeling of having a RPG "dungeon" kinda screws the pacing up a bit in my opinion. I mean, it's not that it's overbearingly long or anything but still... I would've liked to see more sporadic encounters and not a bunch of generic enemies clustered together in a combat area if that makes sense.

    Still, highly enjoyed it. Sucked me right in and I played it right to the end in one go.

    Looking forward to the finished thing!
     
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    Oh yeah, forgot to mention this. This is the most disappointing part of the demo if it is a representation of how it will actually be in the game. I have to unfavorably liken it almost to a stage in a side scrolling beat-em-up, except with turn-based combat. I hope "dungeon" exploration takes a vastly different direction in the finished game.
     
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    Impressed how it looks and plays in this early stage.

    First start up i thought the game crashed immediately, froze for about 20 seconds. Must be unity i guess.
     
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    Yeah gotta admit my hype-meter just totally recalibrated for this one. Not quite sure what I expected, but whatever it is, this is clearly way more than that. It feels, for want of a proper word, professional, all while retaining the individuality that makes indies at their best so exciting. It's confident and cool and it plays really well -- the UI is simple and intuitive (although could use a few keyboard shortcuts, space to end the turn, anyone?) and ... hell, it's just great.

    Fantastic job so far Scrawled and the rest of you mad Turks, if you can maintain / build on this level of quality for the rest of the game this could be a real sleeper hit.

    (Pare down those mobs though. Cthulhu games do not need combat all the time, it should be rarer and much more deadly than it is here. For the demo, I'd leave the mob fight and just one madman fight, get rid of the others, they feel like filler. Instead have some madmen prancing around and running off the screen or behaving in otherwise disturbing ways to build up tensions. But then make those two much harder.)
     
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    Jesus, first Stygian, then Vigilantes. Q3 2017 just can't stop inclining.
     
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    Thanks a lot for the support, suggestions and comments ladies and gents!

    We're going to release a public demo in the near future. We'll send the mad town crier to you when the time comes.

    It is great to hear your discussions on the demo. We're here for any further questions!
     
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    Hey, welcome back!

    How soon is "near future"? :D
     
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    Thanks Infinitron! It's nice to be back.

    That is pretty vague considering the Lovecraftian relativity of timelessness we've delved into :D

    I'll share the word with you when I know more ;)
     
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    I found some of the dialogue disappointing as well, mostly the PC's "infodump me" lines:
    Yawn! Hopefully this kind of stuff is placeholder; it deadens the otherwise brilliant atmosphere.
    Note that in general the writing is more evocative, with "Good day sir"s and "Shall we"s that take me to a more formal era. I'm reminded of Arcanum. The NPC dialogue in particular is better, since I guess Cultic wasn't shy about making NPCs more colorful.

    I also hope there is not too much combat in the finished game. I liked it but it should not be a "meat and potatoes" activity.

    My only other complaint is having to use mouse edge scrolling to move the screen around. No keyboard scrolling yet? Shame on you Scrawled! WASD please!

    I want to emphasize again that these small nitpicks do not reflect a negative view of Stygian. This demo has me more excited for an RPG release than I've been in a long, long time.
     
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    Lol, with the game being Optimised for 1920 x 1080 Resolution (tm), I can't go further than downstairs from the attic, because wherever the dismal guy is heading from the bar is offscreen.

    Oh well, at least I got to see the chargen.
     
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    Writing with non-native language could be hard. They maybe first wrote in Turkish, then translated to English though, I don't know.
     
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    Glad this is shaping up well, because other than a jrpg-esque thing, I have nothing else to look forward to in the foreseeable future. :dealwithit:
     
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    Will keep an eye out for the public demo in the futuure
     
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    So pumped for the full release. The bros at Cultic Games really nailed atmosphere, and playing through it conjures the same feelings that one can get from mental imagery while reading an HPL story. Didn't get into combat yet (I screwed up majorly when dealing with the antique dealer :lol:), but I'll be damned if the art, sound, music and descriptive texts don't send chills down one's spine. My only complaint is the liberal use of 'fuck' in dialogues, as I don't think it was that common in the 1920s and that kind of takes me out of the setting for a bit, but I could be wrong on that.
     
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    Technically it was about as common in 1920s working-class idiom as it is now. It just was extremely rare in print.

    Your point still stands though as Lovecraft didn't use it, whatever the lascar sailors in Red Hook may have been spouting out of their filthy mouths, and the point here is Lovecraftian atmosphere rather than realistic 1920s atmosphere. OTOH Lovecraft didn't write much dialogue so we never got to find out just how those sailors curse, which means artistic license is necessary in any case. (I wasn't bothered BTW.)
     
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    I think unless you're Sawyer or somebody else who has a vested interest in history, stereotypes should be prioritised over total accuracy, as they convey the impression of accuracy.
     
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    Thang is though, they are not supposed to be recreating any historical context, but a Lovecraftian context, and Lovecraft always had a large degree of decorum to his writing despite the ever-present cosmic horrors and degenerates.
     
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    Lovecraft didn't have to rely on crude words to show characters as unrefined and "rough".

    Unfortunately such artistry is long gone. And of course not feasible to expect to non-native speakers to recreate dialect that was extinct already in Lovecraft's time.
     
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    Thanks, good Horror RPGs are too-few and far in between...might have to keep an eye on this one!
     
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