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Company News Is Troika Dead?

Sol Invictus

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It doesn't. It was just kind of funny.

Hell you might not even find it funny. I thought it was a fine thing to make it to brighten the mood a bit.
 

Fez

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Well Ex, you could pour petrol over yourself and your family, and then set it alight. That would brighten things. Don't forget to set up the webcam to show it all off. Who knows, with all the reconstructive surgery after the burns heal up you might even reach a 2.9 or a 3.0. Maybe then you wouldn't have to be so bitter.
 

merry andrew

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Exitium said:
I bothers me a lot that Troika just got up and fired everyone. Yes, that bothers me. It's fine and dandy that the fatasses up top keep their jobs. Everyone else lost theirs because of their mismanagement.
The fatasses up top get to keep their jobs because they are the founders AND probably have the financial security to 'see what happens'. Do you really expect them to pay their staff out of their own pockets until they can find another contract?

Let's assume that they can pay the rest of the staff out of their own pockets. Their pay will be less, because for some reason I doubt that the founders have insanely huge bank accounts. If they don't get a contract before the 'out of pocket' pay runs out, all of their employees are officially screwed because they just spent time at a company just 'waiting' for an opportunity to present itself, and the founders are screwed because they just paid a bunch of people to work on a game that doesn't have a publisher.

So why are you so bothered?
 

Fez

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That would probably be less painful than looking at your face, Ex. I say go for it.
 

merry andrew

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Exitium said:
The little guy always gets screwed because the big guy fucked up.
Yes, game development houses are companies. Also, how did the little guy get screwed, if the big guy cared enough to let them know that they need to look for another job?

How old are you? Just wondering.
 

Fez

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Why not Ex? It's fun and at least we aren't bitching about Troika. Half the fun of this place is arguing with everyone and you seem to have nominated yourself as the resident punchbag. :lol:
 

Sol Invictus

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Jinxed said:
Exitium said:
Hi. Do I know you? Why do you insist on personal attacks?

Probably has to do with the shit you've been posting recently. Just a hunch.

Hey, I can understand if someone's got some valid remarks about the things I've said in this thread but that shit Fez is just flat out inane. Lends nothing to the discussion, and he certainly hasn't made any effort to conduct a reasonable discussion. If he disagrees with what I say why doesn't he just say so instead of beating around the bush like some 5 year old?

Yes, game development houses are companies. Also, how did the little guy get screwed, if the big guy cared enough to let them know that they need to look for another job?

How old are you? Just wondering.
The little guy got screwed when he lost his job. I'm sitting here wondering when you'll get a clue as to how 'losing your job' equates to 'screwed'.
 

Fez

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This discussion pretty much dropped dead out of the starting gate, so don't give me that crap.
 

M0rphz0rz

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Rex: I somehow fail to see how your apparent amusement at Troika's misfortunes ("I though it was funny") and your show of sympathy for the "little guys" fit together.

Concerning that exceedingly silly "No More Free Rides" slogan: Do you really think Tim & Co. got their contracts purely on the basis of their oh-so-glorious Fallout past? "Okay, their last game was crappy, but what the heck, let's give them another chance – after all, they are the geniuses that made Fallout?" I don't think so. Publishers don't offer free rides. That's just not the way the business works. They probably had to struggle hard for every single game they made, and that slogan is belittling their work AND that of their employees.
 

Fez

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Ahem:

"LOL TROKIA DIES, NO FREE RIDES"

"WTF?"

"DEAD, LOL, NO FREE RIDES"

"YOU SUCK"

"NO YOU SUCK FOR LETTING THEM AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND THEN BEING TWO FACED WHEN ANOTHER COMPANY DOES IT"

"NO WE DON'T AND YOU SUCK"

"FAG"

"FLIP-FLOPPER"

I think that sums up this conversation. How about we wait a while and see what the announcement says and then you can dance on their graves?
 

merry andrew

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Exitium said:
The little guy got screwed when he lost his job. I'm sitting here wondering when you'll get a clue as to how 'losing your job' equates to 'screwed'.
They'll most likely get other jobs. It's not like the game development field is overpopulated.

Also, being the four (?) remaining employees of a company that does contract work, and doesn't have any contracts, isn't exactly 'having a job'.
 

Naked_Lunch

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Fez said:
Ahem:

"LOL TROKIA DIES, NO FREE RIDES"

"WTF?"

"DEAD, LOL, NO FREE RIDES"

"YOU SUCK"

"NO YOU SUCK FOR LETTING THEM AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND THEN BEING TWO FACED WHEN ANOTHER COMPANY DOES IT"

"NO WE DON'T AND YOU SUCK"

"FAG"

"FLIP-FLOPPER"

I think that sums up this conversation. How about we wait a while and see what the announcement says and then you can dance on their graves?
How about you shut the fuck up and just let the dumbasses argue. You're acting like he fucked your mom and then killed your puppy.
 

Jinxed

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I wonder how "free pass" became "free rides". That term was used before, accusing the codex of being generally pro troika.
 

merry andrew

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Jinxed said:
I wonder how "free pass" became "free rides". That term was used before, accusing the codex of being generally pro troika.
Well that's easy: free passes = free rides. Unless the passes aren't for rides... :(
 

Volourn

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"First, Troika did create three incredible games, with no match in originality. I'll always remember them for their wish to create something new. They did not copy! And that's very imortant. "

Huh? You fuckin' stupid. Their games aren't original. Arcanum is fantasy + guns. OMG Not original. TOEE is a tb D&D game. How the fuck is a agme absed ona 20 year old pnp module original? Hahaha. V: BL is the seocnd game ina few years BASED on a pnp RPG. It's not fuckin' roiginal. What an idiot.


"Second, Troika did create games with the real possibility TO MAKE CHOICES and affect your character(s) advancement both in storyline and development."

Good for them. This is why I like Arcanum. Sadly, chocies that i cared about in TOEE didn't exist. And, in BL, choice was taken away from you in the end.

"Third, they were not commercial. Bioware and Bethesda are the best example of what damage the commercialism can do. Lame games, too much advertisement and too many of the same."

Bullshit. Troika was very much commerical. Afterall, they made a D&D game. BL was also for profit. And, though, Arcanum bombed finanically, it was also made for money. Whya re you fucking lying? Theyw erne't making games for free. Dumbass.

I, and my stupid mod are not commerical. i am doing it for free. Moron. (mainly b/c no one would pay me, LOL)


"Ohhhh, Troika WORKED HARD. Troika wanted to impress. They didn't expect money from their next sequel. They tried to find different paths."

Bullshit. Troika wanted to do sequels for both Arcanum, and TOEE; but the publishers in both cases told them to fuck off. Troika wnated to make sequels. Desperately. Worked hard? That expalins why TOEE had no story, or worthwhile characters. That expalins why they made BL slow as molasses; not to mention the other bugs or the last aprt of the game where its ALL combat. If theyw ere truly about working hard; the good rping one sees in the early parts of BL would exist in the later parts.

"But the gamer is a stupid machine. He likes good graphic, fascinating advertisement, linear gameplay, because it's not easy to "role-play". It has minimum intelligent requirement. And that's the difference betwen Troika and the others - their games "Intelligent requirements"."

The only stupid gamer are the one slike you who will kiss a company's ass and make them to be eprfect even as theya re possibly crashing and burning. It doesn'tt ake a genius to play Troika games. They aren't that complex. Dumbass.

In conclusion, you are a retard. A super retard actually.


Anyways, now that is out of the way, I can addrees the actual issue for the 80th time.

I like 2 out of 3 Troika games besides their faults. However, if Troika fails; it's because THEY screwed up. Not the gamers; not the publishers; them.

Period.

Game over.
 

Fez

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Naked_Lunch said:
How about you shut the fuck up and just let the dumbasses argue. You're acting like he fucked your mom and then killed your puppy.

That's because he did. :cry:

I SHALL HAVE MY VENGEANCE.

That aside, I think if Troika have laid everyone off, then they have fucked up big. As Ex said before it is the management that seem to be the problem as the games and design is fine, it's the planning that seems to go bad.
 

Killzig

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Briosafreak said:
Chris Avellone post is quite good, maybe spliting a bunch of posts that came after so this can continue at that level?
why? just a rehash of what most of us assumed... troika has whittled back down to core members and some professional ass kissing/proper statement thrown in for good measure.
 

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